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Which of his crimes looks like treason? He didn’t hack anything, his only “crime” is providing a publishing outlet. (And yes, Assange is highly biased and anti

Which of his crimes looks like treason? He didn’t hack anything, his only “crime” is providing a publishing outlet. (And yes, Assange is highly biased and anti-American, which is not good, but publishing leaks shouldn’t be a crime.)

mrleinad 8y ago
It's funny to label someone anti-american, when all they've done is expose america's crimes and ways of manipulating the rest of the world. Makes you think what does being pro-america mean.
- resters 8y ago
  Exactly. Assange tried to help the American people learn about dishonesty and fraud committed by elected officials.
posterboy 8y ago
On second reading, I think OP meant the war crimes ("many of these") were treason. I don't know what was done, but I suspect that's not really true under a narrow definition.
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resters 8y ago
My earlier comment was unclear. Assange revealed serious crimes by US officials.
- atemerev 8y ago
  OK, thank you for the clarification!
kermitismyhero 8y ago
I would argue that Assange only really became hostile to the American government after senior politicians and officials started calling publicly for his murder. If a US Secretary of State repeatedly and publicly commented about how it would be fantastic if you could be killed in a drone strike, wouldn't that make you rather unfriendly towards them?
kickopotomus 8y ago
Do you have a source? Where is your proof that he did not attempt to gain unauthorized access to a federal computer? Genuinely asking because that is the exact crime he is being charged with.
- justinmchase 8y ago
  Rather, where is the proof that he did? The burden of proof is on the accuser.
  - kickopotomus 8y ago
    That is the entire purpose of a trial. The accuser brings forth evidence against the accused. Assange is under federal indictment meaning that a grand jury was presented evidence and decided that it was enough to file charges. However, the parent comment claims that Assange is innocent.
    - atemerev 8y ago
      The indictment formulation is “assisted with”. It is really vague; publishing results can be interpreted as assistance.
      - kickopotomus 8y ago
        No, it cannot be. Publishing, and only publishing classified documents is protected under the first amendment[1]. However, Assange helped Manning gain access to and procure the classified documents which is illegal. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times_Co._v._United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times_Co._v._United_S...
droithomme 8y ago
The guy you're responding to said "crimes by US officials that Assange revealed", not "crimes by Assange that US officials revealed". I misread it the first time too, but he meant the opposite of what you thought.

mrleinad 8y ago

It's funny to label someone anti-american, when all they've done is expose america's crimes and ways of manipulating the rest of the world. Makes you think what does being pro-america mean.

resters 8y ago
Exactly. Assange tried to help the American people learn about dishonesty and fraud committed by elected officials.

posterboy 8y ago

On second reading, I think OP meant the war crimes ("many of these") were treason. I don't know what was done, but I suspect that's not really true under a narrow definition.

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resters 8y ago

My earlier comment was unclear. Assange revealed serious crimes by US officials.

atemerev 8y ago
OK, thank you for the clarification!

kermitismyhero 8y ago

I would argue that Assange only really became hostile to the American government after senior politicians and officials started calling publicly for his murder. If a US Secretary of State repeatedly and publicly commented about how it would be fantastic if you could be killed in a drone strike, wouldn't that make you rather unfriendly towards them?

kickopotomus 8y ago

Do you have a source? Where is your proof that he did not attempt to gain unauthorized access to a federal computer? Genuinely asking because that is the exact crime he is being charged with.

justinmchase 8y ago
Rather, where is the proof that he did? The burden of proof is on the accuser.
- kickopotomus 8y ago
  That is the entire purpose of a trial. The accuser brings forth evidence against the accused. Assange is under federal indictment meaning that a grand jury was presented evidence and decided that it was enough to file charges. However, the parent comment claims that Assange is innocent.
  - atemerev 8y ago
    The indictment formulation is “assisted with”. It is really vague; publishing results can be interpreted as assistance.
    - kickopotomus 8y ago
      No, it cannot be. Publishing, and only publishing classified documents is protected under the first amendment[1]. However, Assange helped Manning gain access to and procure the classified documents which is illegal. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times_Co._v._United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times_Co._v._United_S...

droithomme 8y ago

The guy you're responding to said "crimes by US officials that Assange revealed", not "crimes by Assange that US officials revealed". I misread it the first time too, but he meant the opposite of what you thought.