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Can you define "real familial relations" purely by DNA? I don't think so, what about adoptions or surrogates? This just seems like a policy that can be used to

Can you define "real familial relations" purely by DNA? I don't think so, what about adoptions or surrogates? This just seems like a policy that can be used to discriminate against people who don't fit a chosen definition of "family".

creaghpatr 7y ago
Or it can be used to expedite the clearance of real families instead of subjecting everyone to the same questioning methods.
- thex10 7y ago
  > real families That's... still discriminating against people who don't fit a chosen definition of "family"
  - mc32 7y ago
    But then they won’t be claiming “this is my daughter/son”... They’re trying to filter against bogus claims.
    - roywiggins 7y ago
      And people with adoptive children will say what, exactly?
      - mc32 7y ago
        Presumably they can provide papers to the effect. Just as if I were to claim asylum in any other place. Also, I’m sure they have rates of these things and if it starts getting higher than the norm it could prompt more scrutiny.
        roywiggins 7y ago
        People fleeing for their lives may not have access to paperwork. In fact, the authorities denying people access to paperwork- such as birth records and legal status- is almost certainly evidence for approving an asylum claim in the first place.
        mc32 7y ago
        Do you think the instances “fleeing” is the bulk of the cases? Mostly it’s economic migrants. We know if they were fleeing they could just stay in Mexico or if not from The Americas, in a neighboring country. Also, in many of those countries there isn’t a tradition of adoption, so that would be pretty rare.
        roywiggins 7y ago
        It's not that uncommon. > Many of the migrants are asylum seekers fleeing political violence in their countries of origin, especially Congo and Cameroon. Many of the Congolese lived for years in Angola, where they learned enough Portuguese to get by in Spanish. Angola last year expelled more than 300,000 Congolese refugees. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/hundreds-of-africans-tried-to-reach-the-united-states-now-theyre-stuck-in-mexico/2019/04/16/6ebb7b48-5fa4-11e9-bf24-db4b9fb62aa2_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/hundreds-o...
        mc32 7y ago
        Angola is one of the up and coming countries in Africa. That people are leaving it indicates it’s more an economic calculus than persecution.
        roywiggins 7y ago
        > The destruction in Kapende, where no house remains occupied or intact, marked the culmination of three days of violence in Lucapa, a sprawling mining town in the northeast surrounded by some of the world’s richest diamond fields. > About 300,000 Congolese have fled Angola in the last few weeks, many of them in response to the violence in Lucapa at the beginning of October. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-angola-drc-violence-insight/three-days-of-violence-that-emptied-an-angolan-town-of-congolese-idUSKCN1MZ1UI https://www.reuters.com/article/us-angola-drc-violence-insig...
    - tyingq 7y ago
      There will certainly be some guys traveling with a child they believe to be theirs. Until the test comes back.
      - mc32 7y ago
        Won’t most the cases be either mother-child or mother-(adult male)-child? I don’t see father-child being the predominant grouping.

creaghpatr 7y ago

Or it can be used to expedite the clearance of real families instead of subjecting everyone to the same questioning methods.

thex10 7y ago
> real families That's... still discriminating against people who don't fit a chosen definition of "family"
- mc32 7y ago
  But then they won’t be claiming “this is my daughter/son”... They’re trying to filter against bogus claims.
  - roywiggins 7y ago
    And people with adoptive children will say what, exactly?
    - mc32 7y ago
      Presumably they can provide papers to the effect. Just as if I were to claim asylum in any other place. Also, I’m sure they have rates of these things and if it starts getting higher than the norm it could prompt more scrutiny.
      - roywiggins 7y ago
        People fleeing for their lives may not have access to paperwork. In fact, the authorities denying people access to paperwork- such as birth records and legal status- is almost certainly evidence for approving an asylum claim in the first place.
        mc32 7y ago
        Do you think the instances “fleeing” is the bulk of the cases? Mostly it’s economic migrants. We know if they were fleeing they could just stay in Mexico or if not from The Americas, in a neighboring country. Also, in many of those countries there isn’t a tradition of adoption, so that would be pretty rare.
        roywiggins 7y ago
        It's not that uncommon. > Many of the migrants are asylum seekers fleeing political violence in their countries of origin, especially Congo and Cameroon. Many of the Congolese lived for years in Angola, where they learned enough Portuguese to get by in Spanish. Angola last year expelled more than 300,000 Congolese refugees. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/hundreds-of-africans-tried-to-reach-the-united-states-now-theyre-stuck-in-mexico/2019/04/16/6ebb7b48-5fa4-11e9-bf24-db4b9fb62aa2_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/hundreds-o...
        mc32 7y ago
        Angola is one of the up and coming countries in Africa. That people are leaving it indicates it’s more an economic calculus than persecution.
        roywiggins 7y ago
        > The destruction in Kapende, where no house remains occupied or intact, marked the culmination of three days of violence in Lucapa, a sprawling mining town in the northeast surrounded by some of the world’s richest diamond fields. > About 300,000 Congolese have fled Angola in the last few weeks, many of them in response to the violence in Lucapa at the beginning of October. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-angola-drc-violence-insight/three-days-of-violence-that-emptied-an-angolan-town-of-congolese-idUSKCN1MZ1UI https://www.reuters.com/article/us-angola-drc-violence-insig...
  - tyingq 7y ago
    There will certainly be some guys traveling with a child they believe to be theirs. Until the test comes back.
    - mc32 7y ago
      Won’t most the cases be either mother-child or mother-(adult male)-child? I don’t see father-child being the predominant grouping.