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I know this won't satisfy anyone, but I've followed this subject for years with varying degrees of interest / belief. Someone close to me is former military wh

I know this won't satisfy anyone, but I've followed this subject for years with varying degrees of interest / belief. Someone close to me is former military whose position required a top secret clearance. The work that they did involved analyzing various forms of SIGINT. After years of me prying, this person admitted to me: 1. Within the Navy (and presumably other armed forces) the UFO stuff is an open secret. 2. The 'official line' used internally is that the craft are extraterrestrial (or at least origin unknown), and ... 3. They're official labelled drones, i.e., there is no reason to believe that they're "manned" In other words, it's fairly well known within the military (at least where people are likely to encounter them) and the official position is somewhere along the lines of "they're here but not here". Personally I've never seen anything I'd label a UFO. But the prevailing narrative -- uptick in UFO sightings following the Manhattan Project, interest in our weapons / energy capabilities -- I'm 100% comfortable with. If it is a military psy-op, it's one playing out on a massive scale over a vast timeframe. That in and of itself is mind boggling.

dogma1138 7y ago
Am a former military intelligence officer of an MNNA nation, had SIGINT and VISINT postings during my career including in the aerospace command which is integrated with the national air and strategic missile defence systems and while we could track loose bird flocks with OTH Radar probably as far as the Indian subcontinent we've never seen aliens. Don't get me wrong some of these are really fucked up and can't be dismissed as a weather balloon or a sensor error easily, but saying that UFOs are an open secret is simply wrong. So either the US is unique in the of attention they get or that UFOs ignore the area between the Straights of Gibraltar and the Straights of Aden like a plague which would also contradict the first assumption given the sheer number of US assets in the area.
- lovetocode 7y ago
  I also have over a decade of SIGINT experience and can confirm that this persons friend was pulling a hilarious fast one.
  - lugg 7y ago
    You would say that though wouldn't you?
  - y4mi 7y ago
    We are living in the age of misinformation. Having people confirm or deny such allegations doesn't really mean anything anymore. If "they" do exist, have enough technology to travel to this planet, control somewhat stealthy drones in our atmosphere which are detected every so often, And don't want to interfer publicly with humanity as proven by their lack of public appearances... Honestly, it's just beyond unlikely. But if they did exist: what does it matter? We wouldn't be able to do anything about it so worrying about them is pointless
    - dogma1138 7y ago
      It's not about denying that UFOs exists or that they are non-terrestrial in origin but rather about the notion that UFOs are an open secret in the military which is simply laughable, getting security clearance isn't particularly difficult in the US military if you serve long enough you'll likely to get it. However simply having a clearance isn't the same as being read into a specific program, security clearance just means you can be trusted with secret information it does not grant you access to all classified information matching your clearance. There are 100,000's of radio and radar operators and while a lot of them seen some shit in their life they aren't come out in droves saying yeah the USAF or NAVY thinks knows about UFOs and they are definitely real. Like seriously just think about how many sailors have rotated in and out of CIC duty on say an Arleigh Burke class missile destroyer each of which has probably some of the most advanced tracking radar and sensors developed and they aren't tracking UFOs periodically and when they do they sure as hell aren't treating them as LGM.
bufferoverflow 7y ago
It's not a psy-op, we have strange videos recorded by military cameras. I'm quite skeptical about alien-natured UFOs, but some videos are just too crazy. Like that tracking video of an object flying really fast and then going under water without slowing down.
- maxxxxx 7y ago
  What’s strange to me is that we get lot of good quality dash cam videos of recent meteors but somehow never of UFOs.
  - bufferoverflow 7y ago
    Dashcams are mostly wideangle and not that high resolution. Good to record bright meteors with long tails, but not good to record aircraft.

dogma1138 7y ago

Am a former military intelligence officer of an MNNA nation, had SIGINT and VISINT postings during my career including in the aerospace command which is integrated with the national air and strategic missile defence systems and while we could track loose bird flocks with OTH Radar probably as far as the Indian subcontinent we've never seen aliens. Don't get me wrong some of these are really fucked up and can't be dismissed as a weather balloon or a sensor error easily, but saying that UFOs are an open secret is simply wrong. So either the US is unique in the of attention they get or that UFOs ignore the area between the Straights of Gibraltar and the Straights of Aden like a plague which would also contradict the first assumption given the sheer number of US assets in the area.

lovetocode 7y ago
I also have over a decade of SIGINT experience and can confirm that this persons friend was pulling a hilarious fast one.
- lugg 7y ago
  You would say that though wouldn't you?
- y4mi 7y ago
  We are living in the age of misinformation. Having people confirm or deny such allegations doesn't really mean anything anymore. If "they" do exist, have enough technology to travel to this planet, control somewhat stealthy drones in our atmosphere which are detected every so often, And don't want to interfer publicly with humanity as proven by their lack of public appearances... Honestly, it's just beyond unlikely. But if they did exist: what does it matter? We wouldn't be able to do anything about it so worrying about them is pointless
  - dogma1138 7y ago
    It's not about denying that UFOs exists or that they are non-terrestrial in origin but rather about the notion that UFOs are an open secret in the military which is simply laughable, getting security clearance isn't particularly difficult in the US military if you serve long enough you'll likely to get it. However simply having a clearance isn't the same as being read into a specific program, security clearance just means you can be trusted with secret information it does not grant you access to all classified information matching your clearance. There are 100,000's of radio and radar operators and while a lot of them seen some shit in their life they aren't come out in droves saying yeah the USAF or NAVY thinks knows about UFOs and they are definitely real. Like seriously just think about how many sailors have rotated in and out of CIC duty on say an Arleigh Burke class missile destroyer each of which has probably some of the most advanced tracking radar and sensors developed and they aren't tracking UFOs periodically and when they do they sure as hell aren't treating them as LGM.

bufferoverflow 7y ago

It's not a psy-op, we have strange videos recorded by military cameras. I'm quite skeptical about alien-natured UFOs, but some videos are just too crazy. Like that tracking video of an object flying really fast and then going under water without slowing down.

maxxxxx 7y ago
What’s strange to me is that we get lot of good quality dash cam videos of recent meteors but somehow never of UFOs.
- bufferoverflow 7y ago
  Dashcams are mostly wideangle and not that high resolution. Good to record bright meteors with long tails, but not good to record aircraft.