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> The problem with the no hands-on-steering-wheel detection claim Tesla keeps bringing up I don't get why it matters. Why is Tesla's responsibility greater or

> The problem with the no hands-on-steering-wheel detection claim Tesla keeps bringing up I don't get why it matters. Why is Tesla's responsibility greater or lesser based on the position of the driver's hands? The driver could have had one hand on the wheel while mousing around on a laptop with the other. Or he could have been intensely focused on the road ahead with his hands resting on his legs, inches away from the wheel. I'm neither defending nor attacking Tesla here, because I don't think I have sufficient information to have an opinion either way. But I'm pretty sure that learning the answer to this particular question wouldn't have any bearing on any opinion I might eventually form.

rightbyte 8y ago
It's a dead man switch. If the dead man switch is not working it's a system malfunction.
- sjwright 8y ago
  That might be technically true, but it's irrelevant. Nowhere does Tesla ever describe it to the customer as a dead man switch. And it wasn't malfunctioning. He wasn't a dead man. He was very much alive, understood the warnings, understood that the car expected him to keep his hands on the wheel and keep paying attention to the road. He understood the warnings so well that he was capable of avoiding them with such proficiency that he did not receive one for 15 minutes.
v_lisivka 8y ago
It's driver responsibility to drive the car and pay attention to the road.
- yifanl 8y ago
  By representing the car to come with an auto driver, they implicitly take on that responsibility.
  - astazangasta 8y ago
    By naming it "Autopilot" they take on that responsibility.
    - sjwright 8y ago
      Imagine a driver driving down a parkway at speed and thinking "I'm on a parkway, so I should shift the car into Park." That's how dumb that argument is. If a driver ignores the requirements of their driver license AND the vehicle's clearly worded warnings, then the driver is entirely responsible. Claiming that the driver is not at fault because they interpreted the word "autopilot" to mean "I can disregard my responsibility as a driver and ignore the vehicle's very clear warnings" is absurd.

rightbyte 8y ago

It's a dead man switch. If the dead man switch is not working it's a system malfunction.

sjwright 8y ago
That might be technically true, but it's irrelevant. Nowhere does Tesla ever describe it to the customer as a dead man switch. And it wasn't malfunctioning. He wasn't a dead man. He was very much alive, understood the warnings, understood that the car expected him to keep his hands on the wheel and keep paying attention to the road. He understood the warnings so well that he was capable of avoiding them with such proficiency that he did not receive one for 15 minutes.

v_lisivka 8y ago

It's driver responsibility to drive the car and pay attention to the road.

yifanl 8y ago
By representing the car to come with an auto driver, they implicitly take on that responsibility.
- astazangasta 8y ago
  By naming it "Autopilot" they take on that responsibility.
  - sjwright 8y ago
    Imagine a driver driving down a parkway at speed and thinking "I'm on a parkway, so I should shift the car into Park." That's how dumb that argument is. If a driver ignores the requirements of their driver license AND the vehicle's clearly worded warnings, then the driver is entirely responsible. Claiming that the driver is not at fault because they interpreted the word "autopilot" to mean "I can disregard my responsibility as a driver and ignore the vehicle's very clear warnings" is absurd.