> The metric for success should be not "did this person ultimately avoid dying" but "did this person find a way to keep living without being in misery?" I woul

> The metric for success should be not "did this person ultimately avoid dying" but "did this person find a way to keep living without being in misery?" I would agree with your metric for success. You're absolutely correct that the former (by itself) isn't sufficient. My point is that it's hard to accomplish the latter (sp?) without first accomplishing the former. > On the flip side, I seem to remember one woman who noted a paradox that sometimes when people are treated and start to feel better, that's when they find the motivation to actually carry out a suicide plan. I'd be interested to see how many people who have contemplated suicide fall into the category you describe, as a percentage of the total group. I'd hope (perhaps a bit optimistically?) that they are in the minority. But I don't have data to make any claims one way or the other. Thank you for sharing your experience. I hope you're in a better place now.