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>"We know a little more about the UFO itself. It is described as “wingless, white, and shaped like an oblong pill. It was 24-30 (40 in the NYT article) feet lon
by inflatableDodo 8y ago
>"We know a little more about the UFO itself. It is described as “wingless, white, and shaped like an oblong pill. It was 24-30 (40 in the NYT article) feet long and had no visible markings or glass. The USS Princeton was able to faintly track the “capsule” via its SPY-1B radar system, but the fighters were not able to get a radar lock on the object. The “capsule” was not only more maneuverable than the Hornets but also much faster —for it to have reached the CAP point ahead of the Navy fighters it would have had to have flown in excess of 2,400 miles an hour. According to FighterSweep.com, which published a detailed chronicle of the event in 2015, the object did not emit hot jet exhaust typical of ordinary aircraft."
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a14456936/that-time-the-us-navy-had-a-close-encounter-with-a-ufo/ https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a14456936/that-tim...
- mrob 8y agoThis lists three possibilities: Malfunction of equipment and/or crew, US government operating a real UFO, or aliens operating a real UFO. I can think of one more which seems more likely: US government testing secret radar spoofing tech (probably operated from a submarine).
- Apocryphon 8y agoWhy not a foreign government? Or even a private corporation?
- mrob 8y agoRisky to test it on the US and not some smaller country. Less risky if it's the US testing it on itself.
- onion2k 8y agoUnless it's already been tested on smaller countries successfully. In which case testing against the US is just a logical step.
- imdsm 8y agoI always think to myself that the technology we see and know about now, the spy planes and such, are ~50 years old, so what is operating now that we won't know about until some of us are 70 or 80 years old?
- onion2k 8y agoIn some cases for things like stealth tech, sure. In most cases though, where there's an obvious commercial aspect to successful research, we see things fast. When there's a military invention that could lead to something like a microwave or nylon the company behind it want to reap billions from selling to the public as soon as possible. This is one reason why I find stories like this one unlikely. If we assume this object is, say, a Chinese spy drone, why would the Chinese use this amazing new tech for something as mundane and boring as a spy drone? They could turn it in to a commercial engine, mount it on some aircraft, and completely dominate the air travel and air freight. As far as using technology to crush your enemies goes that would have a much greater impact on the US than watching what the country is up to from a drone.
- krapp 8y ago>They could turn it in to a commercial engine, mount it on some aircraft, and completely dominate the air travel and air freight. It's entirely possible that some novel propulsion technology would only work with extremely light craft under specific conditions, and either couldn't scale to the size of a commercial aircraft, or would be less efficient or cost effective at that scale than existing technology. Ion propulsion is only useful in space, for instance.
- JulianMorrison 8y agoA significant fraction of reported UFOs are much, much larger than the largest existing conventional jets.
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- StanislavPetrov 8y agoSeems unlikely that foreign governments could develop flying craft that violate most of the laws of physics as we understand them as far as momentum, propulsion and a variety other factors are concerned.
- ozten 8y agoThe US, sure, but a foreign government violating the laws of physics... not likely!
- JulianMorrison 8y agoOne of them has a defense budget the size of a small moon and it isn't the foreign government.
- inflatableDodo 8y agoThat's no moon... (sorry, couldn't resist).
- inflatableDodo 8y agoIceland may have acquired elf tech.
- inflatableDodo 8y agoI mentioned another possibility in one of my other comments; a UV laser on a satellite (or some other suitable platform with a view of the entire flight volume, or multiple overlapping platforms) being focused to create a movable plasmaball.
- viraptor 8y ago> object did not emit hot jet exhaust Is jet exhaust distinguishable from hot plasma ball in IR?
- inflatableDodo 8y agoA plasma ball being moved by redirecting a laser generating it won't emit an exhaust tail. I'm thinking a very very big version of this - https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/a-floating-holographic-plasma-display-that-you-can-touch/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/a-floating-holograph...
- viraptor 8y agoI think you misunderstood. I was asking if you're looking at infrared view, would you be able to tell a difference between a jet's exhaust and a plasma ball (of a similar size) in a long distance.
- inflatableDodo 8y agoA jet exhaust would change noticably as the aircraft rotates. If it is only racing away on a fixed line, maybe not, but otherwise I would think so.
- JulianMorrison 8y agoIf somebody has a laser that big, with batteries that good, that's an issue in itself.
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- legohead 8y agoYou left out flat out lying in an attempt to sway the human domain towards a certain solution: say, military budgets. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOTYgcdNrXE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOTYgcdNrXE
- networkimprov 8y agoOr lying in an effort to distract the current occupant of the White House, who might be a greater threat to the nation than extraterrestrials ;-)
- JulianMorrison 8y agoThey told him. Notice how he suddenly wanted a "space force"?
- myth_drannon 8y agoThat's because the Russians founded it's own couple of months prior.
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- danielovichdk 8y agoThat video is super interesting and very fun to watch. Thanks for sharing
- liam_mc 8y agoYou're pulling these options out of your rear end... operating from a submarine?!?! You mean those low-lying underwater things miles from land with poor line-of-sight for radio? And systematic malfunctions? Just on military radar, in military bases? And fooling professionals repeatedly with such realistic false returns that instead of checking their equipment they claim UFO's are zipping around in the skies? Why does it have to be aliens... so natural phenomena are totally discounted? This kind of nonsensical guff and willingness to proffer daft ideas is what sets any sort of empirical reasoning back to stone-age style quackery!
- mrob 8y agoI said operating from a submarine because of the reported disturbance in the water. The witnesses said it wasn't one, but if they were seeing other strange things, and not expecting a submarine to be there, then IMO they could easily have been mistaken. Alternatively, it's all lies. Both those scenarios are IMO more likely that natural phenomena, because there is no other known natural phenomena that moves in any way similar to the reported UFO.
- kodz4 8y agoWell the Indian Army was very eager to claim they found a Yeti yesterday. People in the military clearly aren't immune to the bullshit propagation syndrome effecting everyone thanks to the news media and social media making Seeking Attention the basis of individual or group relevance. Expect more bullshit and expect believers in bullshit to be propped up all over the place until the like/upvote/view/click count feedback loop has done enough damage and is dismantled.
- eqdw 8y ago> US government operating a real UFO Or some other nation. By far the most likely explanation to me is that this is some classified military tech.
- kpU8efre7r 8y agoThe government wouldn't test that kind of tech anywhere that could be detected. Gives your enemies a chance to pick it up, analyze it, and defeat it.
- openasocket 8y agoI'm skeptical of the part where it went to the CAP point. First, it was apparently only detected at the CAP point by the USS Princeton, it was gone by the time the jets arrived so we don't have multiple confirmation. But more importantly, how did the craft know to go to the CAP point? Even if the jets were bearing in that direction at the time (and I don't think they were) how would it know the distance to travel? Was it listening in on radio chatter, meaning they have reverse engineered our communications protocols, broken our encryption, and understand enough of our language and technical jargon to determine where to go? Were the exact coordinates of the CAP point even discussed over the radio while in the presence of the craft? And the whole thing just seems weird to me. If you're an alien vessel visiting our planet, it seems like you're either going to try to make contact, or ignore people and just gather samples. But this? Just sort of bothering the US Navy? You could argue it was gathering samples of ocean water or something. But then why go to the CAP point? That can't be to collect scientific data. And that doesn't make sense as their attempt to contact us. As I mentioned above, they'd have to have a lot of knowledge of our language and communication to know where that point is, which means they know enough to simply make radio contact.
- JulianMorrison 8y agoTelepathy, read the CAP point in cleartext right out of the pilot's head.
- Udo 8y agoWhy though? If you're an advanced race that built a thought-extracting brain scanner specifically for a random race they encountered on a random planet (which it would have to be), is reading waypoints off a random pilot's brain really the best use of that technology?
- JulianMorrison 8y agoWhy not? Bearing in mind that telepathy is a highly recurrent feature of UFO reports, it seems they already have that capacity (probably not via a gadget either), and it's a case of "if you have a hammer..."