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I know I’ll never be able to match the accomplishments of people that got into Duke the year I didn’t, for example.

opportune 8y ago
You shouldn't feel that way at all, there are lots of unsuccessful people from each year's class at those kinds of universities, you just don't hear about them.
saagarjha 8y ago
Why not? The relationship between colleges and the accomplishments of the people attending them is tenuous at best. There are thousands of people at good universities that do essentially nothing, and wherever you are you have the opportunity to do better than them.
- akhilcacharya 8y ago
  No, not really. People that get into Stanford or MIT did cool stuff when they were younger to get there. I still haven't done cool stuff!
  - saagarjha 8y ago
    I mean, you've still got quite a lot of time to do cool things?
    - akhilcacharya 8y ago
      Not...really? I'm 22, turning 23. I know a bunch of people that got patents in high school, competed in math/informatics olympiads and have multiple published papers (of varying quality, but nonetheless). Never had any of that or knew how to do it.
      - saagarjha 8y ago
        > I know a bunch of people that got patents in high school, competed in math/informatics olympiads and have multiple published papers (of varying quality, but nonetheless). For each of those people there are a hundred that haven't done anything like that. "Ability" is a continuum: there are levels between "not doing anything" and "at the top of everything". Join your local research lab, try some competitive programming, do some open source work–just try your best and see what you can do! Not everyone can be the very best (though, it's entirely possible that you can, if you work hard and get lucky, so I don't want to close that off to you), but that doesn't make you unable to do cool things. (FWIW, I'm in a middling undergraduate program, have no patents or papers in my name, and while I've competed in olympiads I have probably not done so at the level you're thinking of; I still feel that I've done cool things. YMMV, but if you want to chat personally feel free to shoot me an email.)
      - com2kid 8y ago
        I helped design/write an embedded runtime when I was ~29. Got a lot of patents out of it. If I'd done it at 22, it'd have been a crappy OS. Getting software patents is easy. I used to take time to file one whenever I had a 6 hour or more flight. Boredom and all that. Also my employer's patent bonus paid for my airfare. You have decades of life left. One of my mentors had the time of his life programming in his 50s, putting his mark as a leader on multiple amazing products that sold in numbers ranging from hundreds of thousands to millions upon millions. Up until then? Rather uneventful. If I remember, lots of years working on test equipment.
        pauljurczak 8y ago
        Thank you for clogging the patent pipeline for the rest of us! ;-)
        com2kid 8y ago
        No problem! If you are willing, for only a few thousand I'm willing to sit down and write a 1 page draft on a variety of topics! Semi-seriously, my team did solve a lot of very hard problems in a very resource constrained environment, and we didn't competitors sueing us to oblivion, so... patent everything! :/
  - CydeWeys 8y ago
    I graduated from a state school over a decade ago. I'm working at a good company now doing things that some people would consider "cool". And I couldn't even tell you off the top of my head what university a single one of my coworkers went to. I think to some degree that you're using the school you did go to as a facile excuse to explain why you "haven't done cool stuff", when it's quite possible that that's not the reason at all, and that even if you had gone to that school you still wouldn't be "doing cool stuff". And the farther out you are from college, the less and less it matters. In programming, past a certain number of years out, it may not even matter if you have a degree at all.
    - akhilcacharya 8y ago
      Well, my state school (rank #50+) is quite a bit different from yours in terms of quality (rank #25 or less) for starters. I didn't get anywhere close to an 800 on my Math SAT, whereas I'm sure a lot of people at UMD CS did (and a few at my school did too!). >I think to some degree that you're using the school you did go to as a facile excuse to explain why you "haven't done cool stuff", when it's quite possible that that's not the reason at all, and that even if you had gone to that school you still wouldn't be "doing cool stuff". Right, it's more of a correlation for inherent inferiority in my case more than anything else, but that's besides the point.
      - CydeWeys 8y ago
        Ultimate accomplishment is driven more by hard work than by innate talent. I coasted on my talent in school through most of school and came into the working world unprepared to seriously go do cool stuff for quite awhile. It wasn't until much more recently that I buckled down and got better at applying myself that I really started to see an upward trajectory. And none of this has anything to do with what school you went to for undergrad awhile ago. I did get a 1580 though, so I feel called out :/
        akhilcacharya 8y ago
        Nice, I got a 1500/1600 so I'm naturally a bit behind intellectually.
  - com2kid 8y ago
    You have to seek out the cool stuff. The cool stuff projects are never the right career move, the work/life balance doesn't exist, and even then you have to be on constant lookout for the right team to join. "I'm willing to put up with insanity" is a more important criteria for working on cool projects than what school you went to. Source: I've been on those cool projects, I've hired for them as well. End of the day, the questions "want to write an OS, work 70hrs+ a week and live under constant fear of not having a job when you come in tomorrow?" get asked, alma mater, not so much. Of course at the end of the day, you get some great stories out of it. You also get literal grey hair, potential lost friendships (I lucked out there! Saw plenty of it around me though.), and an ongoing base level of stress that is very unhealthy. But hey, great stories.
  - apatters 8y ago
    You're too hard on yourself. I know lots of people who went to elite universities and haven't done any really cool stuff. More broadly, from an economic perspective, there are outliers, but most people only move one income quintile up or down from where their parents are (or don't move at all). So while we have some leverage over our futures, this suggests that we have less leverage than we believe. (So, for example, does the fact that 65% of millennials think they'll be millionaires by age 45, even though only 6% of Americans are millionaires.) Certainly there's no reason to beat yourself up for not achieving things that are exceptional on an absolute scale (unless maybe you were born at the top and blew all your advantages).
asdff 8y ago
Screw that. If you work hard people take notice, that's it. You can go to a CC, grind hard through your classes, transfer into a school with a better network, continue to grind hard, and land the job because anyone who sees your CV will see that you are a fighter who gives a shit. Some of the richest kids in my high school paid full tuition to ivy league schools, didn't come to play school, and ended up with a scrappy job anyone could have gotten from just about any school. Work hard.
- akhilcacharya 8y ago
  I think there's a lot of inherent ability tied within ability to be accepted into an elite program (SAT score, etc) that I simply don't have. That doesn't help matters at all.
  - saagarjha 8y ago
    > there's a lot of inherent ability tied within ability to be accepted into an elite program Yeah, the ability to be accepted into an elite program. This often has little bearing in real life (honestly, how much do you really care about the ability to get a good SAT score anymore?).
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  - strikelaserclaw 8y ago
    you can grind your way to a high SAT score (I know this personally because in a span of 2-3 months i went from mediocre to 'great' SAT scores just from grinding), you can grind your way to great grades, you can grind your way to an "elite" college. But ultimately, while those things may help you get ahead, they don't make or break you. What is needed to be successful is hard work, creativity,risk taking and luck. Your woe is me attitude is going to hold you back much more than your not attending an elite university.
    - akhilcacharya 8y ago
pauljurczak 8y ago
Perhaps you are focusing on a wrong sort of accomplishments. Do you really crave to be a highly paid Boeing PR drone, twisting the truth to protect their corrupt management from legal responsibility for 737-MAX screw-up?

You shouldn't feel that way at all, there are lots of unsuccessful people from each year's class at those kinds of universities, you just don't hear about them.

saagarjha 8y ago

Why not? The relationship between colleges and the accomplishments of the people attending them is tenuous at best. There are thousands of people at good universities that do essentially nothing, and wherever you are you have the opportunity to do better than them.

akhilcacharya 8y ago
No, not really. People that get into Stanford or MIT did cool stuff when they were younger to get there. I still haven't done cool stuff!
- saagarjha 8y ago
  I mean, you've still got quite a lot of time to do cool things?
  - akhilcacharya 8y ago
    Not...really? I'm 22, turning 23. I know a bunch of people that got patents in high school, competed in math/informatics olympiads and have multiple published papers (of varying quality, but nonetheless). Never had any of that or knew how to do it.
    - saagarjha 8y ago
      > I know a bunch of people that got patents in high school, competed in math/informatics olympiads and have multiple published papers (of varying quality, but nonetheless). For each of those people there are a hundred that haven't done anything like that. "Ability" is a continuum: there are levels between "not doing anything" and "at the top of everything". Join your local research lab, try some competitive programming, do some open source work–just try your best and see what you can do! Not everyone can be the very best (though, it's entirely possible that you can, if you work hard and get lucky, so I don't want to close that off to you), but that doesn't make you unable to do cool things. (FWIW, I'm in a middling undergraduate program, have no patents or papers in my name, and while I've competed in olympiads I have probably not done so at the level you're thinking of; I still feel that I've done cool things. YMMV, but if you want to chat personally feel free to shoot me an email.)
    - com2kid 8y ago
      I helped design/write an embedded runtime when I was ~29. Got a lot of patents out of it. If I'd done it at 22, it'd have been a crappy OS. Getting software patents is easy. I used to take time to file one whenever I had a 6 hour or more flight. Boredom and all that. Also my employer's patent bonus paid for my airfare. You have decades of life left. One of my mentors had the time of his life programming in his 50s, putting his mark as a leader on multiple amazing products that sold in numbers ranging from hundreds of thousands to millions upon millions. Up until then? Rather uneventful. If I remember, lots of years working on test equipment.
      - pauljurczak 8y ago
        Thank you for clogging the patent pipeline for the rest of us! ;-)
        com2kid 8y ago
        No problem! If you are willing, for only a few thousand I'm willing to sit down and write a 1 page draft on a variety of topics! Semi-seriously, my team did solve a lot of very hard problems in a very resource constrained environment, and we didn't competitors sueing us to oblivion, so... patent everything! :/
- CydeWeys 8y ago
  I graduated from a state school over a decade ago. I'm working at a good company now doing things that some people would consider "cool". And I couldn't even tell you off the top of my head what university a single one of my coworkers went to. I think to some degree that you're using the school you did go to as a facile excuse to explain why you "haven't done cool stuff", when it's quite possible that that's not the reason at all, and that even if you had gone to that school you still wouldn't be "doing cool stuff". And the farther out you are from college, the less and less it matters. In programming, past a certain number of years out, it may not even matter if you have a degree at all.
  - akhilcacharya 8y ago
    Well, my state school (rank #50+) is quite a bit different from yours in terms of quality (rank #25 or less) for starters. I didn't get anywhere close to an 800 on my Math SAT, whereas I'm sure a lot of people at UMD CS did (and a few at my school did too!). >I think to some degree that you're using the school you did go to as a facile excuse to explain why you "haven't done cool stuff", when it's quite possible that that's not the reason at all, and that even if you had gone to that school you still wouldn't be "doing cool stuff". Right, it's more of a correlation for inherent inferiority in my case more than anything else, but that's besides the point.
    - CydeWeys 8y ago
      Ultimate accomplishment is driven more by hard work than by innate talent. I coasted on my talent in school through most of school and came into the working world unprepared to seriously go do cool stuff for quite awhile. It wasn't until much more recently that I buckled down and got better at applying myself that I really started to see an upward trajectory. And none of this has anything to do with what school you went to for undergrad awhile ago. I did get a 1580 though, so I feel called out :/
      - akhilcacharya 8y ago
        Nice, I got a 1500/1600 so I'm naturally a bit behind intellectually.
- com2kid 8y ago
  You have to seek out the cool stuff. The cool stuff projects are never the right career move, the work/life balance doesn't exist, and even then you have to be on constant lookout for the right team to join. "I'm willing to put up with insanity" is a more important criteria for working on cool projects than what school you went to. Source: I've been on those cool projects, I've hired for them as well. End of the day, the questions "want to write an OS, work 70hrs+ a week and live under constant fear of not having a job when you come in tomorrow?" get asked, alma mater, not so much. Of course at the end of the day, you get some great stories out of it. You also get literal grey hair, potential lost friendships (I lucked out there! Saw plenty of it around me though.), and an ongoing base level of stress that is very unhealthy. But hey, great stories.
- apatters 8y ago
  You're too hard on yourself. I know lots of people who went to elite universities and haven't done any really cool stuff. More broadly, from an economic perspective, there are outliers, but most people only move one income quintile up or down from where their parents are (or don't move at all). So while we have some leverage over our futures, this suggests that we have less leverage than we believe. (So, for example, does the fact that 65% of millennials think they'll be millionaires by age 45, even though only 6% of Americans are millionaires.) Certainly there's no reason to beat yourself up for not achieving things that are exceptional on an absolute scale (unless maybe you were born at the top and blew all your advantages).

asdff 8y ago

Screw that. If you work hard people take notice, that's it. You can go to a CC, grind hard through your classes, transfer into a school with a better network, continue to grind hard, and land the job because anyone who sees your CV will see that you are a fighter who gives a shit. Some of the richest kids in my high school paid full tuition to ivy league schools, didn't come to play school, and ended up with a scrappy job anyone could have gotten from just about any school. Work hard.

akhilcacharya 8y ago
I think there's a lot of inherent ability tied within ability to be accepted into an elite program (SAT score, etc) that I simply don't have. That doesn't help matters at all.
- saagarjha 8y ago
  > there's a lot of inherent ability tied within ability to be accepted into an elite program Yeah, the ability to be accepted into an elite program. This often has little bearing in real life (honestly, how much do you really care about the ability to get a good SAT score anymore?).
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- strikelaserclaw 8y ago
  you can grind your way to a high SAT score (I know this personally because in a span of 2-3 months i went from mediocre to 'great' SAT scores just from grinding), you can grind your way to great grades, you can grind your way to an "elite" college. But ultimately, while those things may help you get ahead, they don't make or break you. What is needed to be successful is hard work, creativity,risk taking and luck. Your woe is me attitude is going to hold you back much more than your not attending an elite university.
  - akhilcacharya 8y ago

pauljurczak 8y ago

Perhaps you are focusing on a wrong sort of accomplishments. Do you really crave to be a highly paid Boeing PR drone, twisting the truth to protect their corrupt management from legal responsibility for 737-MAX screw-up?