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I think self driving cars should have both high dynamic range cameras and LIDAR and maybe time of flight cameras. Input from a LIDAR system would be much more

I think self driving cars should have both high dynamic range cameras and LIDAR and maybe time of flight cameras. Input from a LIDAR system would be much more likely to detect that barrier, and computer vision via a camera much more likely to be fooled. I think an investigation into why the computer vision system failed to detect a barrier under clear daylight conditions will show the negligence on the part of Tesla. Lane lines are frequently not well marked, and sunlight glare is a difficult problem for cameras. However, you have to be able to detect a concrete barrier, in the worst of conditions. Does Tesla have in place some kind of determination of its lane detection accuracy and then alert the driver that it is turning off auto-pilot when accuracy is low?

tekno45 7y ago
Guidelines definitely say keep your hands on the wheel and be ready to take over. plus it beeps at you to take over.
natch 7y ago
Yes it shuts off with a beep if it can’t handle current conditions. In case you think this kind of abrupt shutoff sounds dangerous, keep in mind this is in the current generation of the system which relies on a human driver being attentive and ready to take over at all times.
- unityByFreedom 7y ago
  > In case you think this kind of abrupt shutoff sounds dangerous, keep in mind this is in the current generation of the system which relies on a human driver being attentive and ready to take over at all times. What is a driver to do when the system randomly decides to brake? [1] Phantom braking has been an issue for awhile, and has yet to be acknowledged by Tesla. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/b5yx1o/welp_this_happened_today_while_in_autopilot/ https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/b5yx1o/welp_th...
  - natch 7y ago
    They do acknowledge it. You asked what to do. Apply gentle force to the accelerator pedal. And that video is from a super old software version.
    - mastware 7y ago
      > they do acknowledge it. Where has Tesla acknowledged phantom braking as a persistent issue? It has been around since 2016. > that video is from a super old software version. Looks like the video was taken a month ago. The driver had the version of software that Tesla gave him. Drivers can't choose which software version they get, so if it was old, that's on Tesla, not the driver.
      - kwhitefoot 7y ago
        You can choose not to update.
        mastware 7y ago
        The above example is about a case where a driver did not receive an update. He can't choose to download it.

tekno45 7y ago

Guidelines definitely say keep your hands on the wheel and be ready to take over. plus it beeps at you to take over.

natch 7y ago

Yes it shuts off with a beep if it can’t handle current conditions. In case you think this kind of abrupt shutoff sounds dangerous, keep in mind this is in the current generation of the system which relies on a human driver being attentive and ready to take over at all times.

unityByFreedom 7y ago
> In case you think this kind of abrupt shutoff sounds dangerous, keep in mind this is in the current generation of the system which relies on a human driver being attentive and ready to take over at all times. What is a driver to do when the system randomly decides to brake? [1] Phantom braking has been an issue for awhile, and has yet to be acknowledged by Tesla. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/b5yx1o/welp_this_happened_today_while_in_autopilot/ https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/b5yx1o/welp_th...
- natch 7y ago
  They do acknowledge it. You asked what to do. Apply gentle force to the accelerator pedal. And that video is from a super old software version.
  - mastware 7y ago
    > they do acknowledge it. Where has Tesla acknowledged phantom braking as a persistent issue? It has been around since 2016. > that video is from a super old software version. Looks like the video was taken a month ago. The driver had the version of software that Tesla gave him. Drivers can't choose which software version they get, so if it was old, that's on Tesla, not the driver.
    - kwhitefoot 7y ago
      You can choose not to update.
      - mastware 7y ago
        The above example is about a case where a driver did not receive an update. He can't choose to download it.