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Can you elaborate on this?

cwperkins 8y ago
Here's a WaPo article from the controversial woman Google appointed to the board, Kay Cole James. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-wanted-to-help-google-make-ai-more-responsible-instead-i-was-treated-with-hostility/2019/04/09/cafd1fb6-5b07-11e9-842d-7d3ed7eb3957_story.html?utm_term=.b963eb052482 https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-wanted-to-help-goo... I may not agree with her politically, but its important to have different viewpoints in discourse as long as they're rooted in principles. I think its shameful that the AI Ethics Council was disbanded, if employees took issue with her it would have been nice to see them suggest an alternative.
- hunter23 8y ago
  Nothing about this has anything to do with the word fascist.
- UncleMeat 8y ago
  What principles form the basis of her transphobia?
- drb91 8y ago
  Having bigoted values and using them for social control is a familiar scene in America for its entire history. The natural progression of pro-business is to use regulatory capture to create an artificial monopoly—competition brings down profits. All we really need to add to this is a one party system to form a true fascist state: something republicans could conceivably achieve given their control of the senate. The democratic party, on the other hand, is showing a clear schism between pro-corporate and an pro-labor wings. It is trivial to imagine a split into two parties. The republicans have no future without the social control our president demonstrated in his run and term. If anything, putting a bigoted republican on the AI ethics committee is leaning into a future where Alphabet would benefit from a fascist state.
- geofft 8y ago
  > its important to have different viewpoints in discourse as long as they're rooted in principles. OK, so besides James', which other viewpoints rooted in principles were represented on the council? Did Google assemble a panel of balanced viewpoints?
  - drb91 8y ago
    ...and if so, balanced around what center?
- belltaco 8y ago
  >How can Google now expect conservatives to defend it against anti-business policies from the left that might threaten its very existence? Looks like she's petty about it and threatens to punish Google for political reasons, confirming the appointment was for political goodwill rather than about doing the job. Glad she's out.
peterhadlaw 8y ago
Meredith Whittaker and company could not find peace in their hearts with the appointment of (the president of the long standing, prominent conservative think tank The Heritage Foundation) Kay Cole James. So they made a big problem about it, and here we are. Tolerance, for my views but not yours.
- CamperBob2 8y ago
  Toleration of intolerance is self-defeating, but you probably knew that.
  - stcredzero 8y ago
    Tolerance and freedom are empowering. Those societal attributes tend to create more creative and productive societies all across history, going as far back as ancient times. The "paradox of tolerance" in 2019 is used as a word game for one group to justify their intolerance of another group they do not like.
  - ThrowawayR2 8y ago
    > Toleration of intolerance is self-defeating, but you probably knew that. That rather suggests that it is Meredith Whittaker's intolerance that we should not be tolerating, no?
    - CamperBob2 8y ago
      Typically this particular aphorism applies to the party who first asserts a position of intolerance, and that would be the Heritage Foundation.

Here's a WaPo article from the controversial woman Google appointed to the board, Kay Cole James. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-wanted-to-help-google-make-ai-more-responsible-instead-i-was-treated-with-hostility/2019/04/09/cafd1fb6-5b07-11e9-842d-7d3ed7eb3957_story.html?utm_term=.b963eb052482 https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-wanted-to-help-goo... I may not agree with her politically, but its important to have different viewpoints in discourse as long as they're rooted in principles. I think its shameful that the AI Ethics Council was disbanded, if employees took issue with her it would have been nice to see them suggest an alternative.

hunter23 8y ago
Nothing about this has anything to do with the word fascist.
UncleMeat 8y ago
What principles form the basis of her transphobia?
drb91 8y ago
Having bigoted values and using them for social control is a familiar scene in America for its entire history. The natural progression of pro-business is to use regulatory capture to create an artificial monopoly—competition brings down profits. All we really need to add to this is a one party system to form a true fascist state: something republicans could conceivably achieve given their control of the senate. The democratic party, on the other hand, is showing a clear schism between pro-corporate and an pro-labor wings. It is trivial to imagine a split into two parties. The republicans have no future without the social control our president demonstrated in his run and term. If anything, putting a bigoted republican on the AI ethics committee is leaning into a future where Alphabet would benefit from a fascist state.
geofft 8y ago
> its important to have different viewpoints in discourse as long as they're rooted in principles. OK, so besides James', which other viewpoints rooted in principles were represented on the council? Did Google assemble a panel of balanced viewpoints?
- drb91 8y ago
  ...and if so, balanced around what center?
belltaco 8y ago
>How can Google now expect conservatives to defend it against anti-business policies from the left that might threaten its very existence? Looks like she's petty about it and threatens to punish Google for political reasons, confirming the appointment was for political goodwill rather than about doing the job. Glad she's out.

peterhadlaw 8y ago

Meredith Whittaker and company could not find peace in their hearts with the appointment of (the president of the long standing, prominent conservative think tank The Heritage Foundation) Kay Cole James. So they made a big problem about it, and here we are. Tolerance, for my views but not yours.

CamperBob2 8y ago
Toleration of intolerance is self-defeating, but you probably knew that.
- stcredzero 8y ago
  Tolerance and freedom are empowering. Those societal attributes tend to create more creative and productive societies all across history, going as far back as ancient times. The "paradox of tolerance" in 2019 is used as a word game for one group to justify their intolerance of another group they do not like.
- ThrowawayR2 8y ago
  > Toleration of intolerance is self-defeating, but you probably knew that. That rather suggests that it is Meredith Whittaker's intolerance that we should not be tolerating, no?
  - CamperBob2 8y ago
    Typically this particular aphorism applies to the party who first asserts a position of intolerance, and that would be the Heritage Foundation.