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Not unlike a motorcycle either where at least the older ones had separate controls for front and rear brakes. Some newer bikes have linked brakes where applying

Not unlike a motorcycle either where at least the older ones had separate controls for front and rear brakes. Some newer bikes have linked brakes where applying front and/or rear partially actuates the other end as well.

ska 7y ago
You can't steer with that though. The linked breaks are mostly for traction control and to stop you disturbing the chassis too much. [edit] got called on the "can't steer" part - It still isn't your steering, but it changes the chassis load and dynamics in a way that lets you modify the way you steer... quite different than the OP brake + accel causing a steering input from the back end, not front end. But lots of things are different 2 wheel vs. 4 anyway.
- whenchamenia 7y ago
  You sure do. Riding the rear brake into corners, aka trail braking, changes the attitude of the motorcycle making turn in quicker.
  - ska 7y ago
    That's not the same effect, really. And trail braking is mostly (not exclusively) a front brake technique (in which case it's more likely reducing your turn in speed, as you really, really don't want to be on much front break and lean at the same time). It's mostly used to allow speed adjustment past the entry point without upsetting the chassis by a new application of brakes. But I'll give you that it's vaguely similar to OP in some ways, so fair enough - cornering dynamics of 4 and 2 wheels are a bit apples and oranges anyway.
- kirse 7y ago
  You most definitely can. Steering is enabled by grip, and modulating the brakes at front or rear will change available grip. Every once in awhile I'll enter a corner too hot on the bike and a dab of rear brake will tighten things up. Same thing applies to 4-wheel cars (see: Rally)
  - ska 7y ago
    as per other reply - you aren't steering you are settling chassis (which does affect compliance, hence grip in the sense that if you lose that you aren't able to steer). But as I said there, it's a similar enough thing I guess given all the different dynamics going on.

ska 7y ago

You can't steer with that though. The linked breaks are mostly for traction control and to stop you disturbing the chassis too much. [edit] got called on the "can't steer" part - It still isn't your steering, but it changes the chassis load and dynamics in a way that lets you modify the way you steer... quite different than the OP brake + accel causing a steering input from the back end, not front end. But lots of things are different 2 wheel vs. 4 anyway.

whenchamenia 7y ago
You sure do. Riding the rear brake into corners, aka trail braking, changes the attitude of the motorcycle making turn in quicker.
- ska 7y ago
  That's not the same effect, really. And trail braking is mostly (not exclusively) a front brake technique (in which case it's more likely reducing your turn in speed, as you really, really don't want to be on much front break and lean at the same time). It's mostly used to allow speed adjustment past the entry point without upsetting the chassis by a new application of brakes. But I'll give you that it's vaguely similar to OP in some ways, so fair enough - cornering dynamics of 4 and 2 wheels are a bit apples and oranges anyway.
kirse 7y ago
You most definitely can. Steering is enabled by grip, and modulating the brakes at front or rear will change available grip. Every once in awhile I'll enter a corner too hot on the bike and a dab of rear brake will tighten things up. Same thing applies to 4-wheel cars (see: Rally)
- ska 7y ago
  as per other reply - you aren't steering you are settling chassis (which does affect compliance, hence grip in the sense that if you lose that you aren't able to steer). But as I said there, it's a similar enough thing I guess given all the different dynamics going on.