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Absolutely it counts, and it was enjoyable. However, if you want to break your game after I purchased it and change the rules of how that license works and don

by hobs 8y ago

Absolutely it counts, and it was enjoyable. However, if you want to break your game after I purchased it and change the rules of how that license works and dont expect me to possibly change my mind about my decision, think again. All the money I spent buying decryptors and getting wins/losses/placements and having an account where I could easily tell where all my friends are playing in one place also counts. When its likely that EGS will get features that I wont (even though I funded the original building of all this) it grinds my gears - the vague announcement from a corporate aquihire is a klaxon shouting about the changes that are in the pipeline. If Psy wants to say "hey, we'd be glad to move all your stuff over without a hassle" I actually wouldn't really be miffed, but that's not what they came to us with.

sorenjan 8y ago
It sounds like you got what you payed for and have used it for a long time. Did you buy what what was available at the time, or did you pay for what you thought it would be years into the future? What other goods or services do you expect to use for years and then get your money back? If Spotify removes your favorite artist, do you expect to get money back for the years you already payed for while you listened to that artist?
- hobs 8y ago
  I think you are getting confused about how RL works. The continuing payments are decryptors and the rocket pass - this is the "continuing service" that frankly I am not talking about getting a refund on, I got my money for exactly what they promised. The initial price of rocket league is what I am talking about - and yes, that's where I believe that the contract of violations were broken. If you change your car's firmware 5 years after its released so it behaves in a way that I cant use it as I have always used it, I might have changed my purchase decision - and in the car example I usually get to accept or decline the change - I cant (obviously) because this has a service component.
  - pas 8y ago
    Was there any promise (contractual obligation) to keep RL servers working for some years?
    - vaer-k 8y ago
      Give me a break. This is absolutely implied. Else what is the point of investing gaming time in the service developing your identity and game item inventory?
      - gspetr 8y ago
        If this were the case, wouldn't anyone just be able to successfully sue essentially any MMORPG that went under?
        jasonmp85 8y ago
        Yes. The OP is behaving childishly and a prime example of entitlement in gamer culture.
        kkarakk 8y ago
        games are enjoyment and people are emotionally invested in things they enjoy, most people don't "get" it i think since every other form of media isn't as commoditized as games(yet). i wonder what kinda entitlement claims will be flying around in the future when disney yanks all their content to their streaming service and puts a nice HBO sized paywall around it. What happens when amazon kills the last book publisher and then decides to dynamically increase the price of series that people like to read - the next GRRM book is coming out! but it's only on amazon kindle and it's a 100 bucks! chapters are streamed to your device in real time so no taking notes there you pesky pirate. this is only the beginning, i can see why people are having knee jerk reactions to it
- dejaime 8y ago
  Well, they are pulling it from steam. Want to play with your friend that never played? Yeah, you'll need to buy him a copy... on epic's store. And a new one for yourself. Pulling it from steam is reason enough for me.
  - WillPostForFood 8y ago
    So far all they've said is they aren't going to sell it on Steam. Any suggestion you won't be able to play with your friend is just speculation. The PC version of Rocket League will come to the Epic Games store in late 2019. In the meantime, it will continue to be available for purchase on Steam; thereafter it will continue to be supported on Steam for all existing purchasers." Furthermore, Epic clarified that support for Rocket League on Steam will continue even after the game is released on the Epic Games Store and players "will still be able to play Rocket League on Steam with all of the content they've previously purchased, same as always." https://www.usgamer.net/articles/epic-promises-support-for-rocket-league-on-all-platforms-no-announced-plans-to-pull-it-from-steam https://www.usgamer.net/articles/epic-promises-support-for-r...
    - vermilingua 8y ago
      I can’t imagine why Valve would continue to provide services such as Steamworks matchmaking and Workshop content for a game they can’t possibly make any more money from.
      - eridius 8y ago
        Because they'd get bad PR for yanking that stuff? It's not like it costs them a noticeable amount of money to maintain the existing services for a single game for customers who've already purchased it.
    - Bekwnn 8y ago
      Not just speculation, but unimaginably false. Epic even has a completely free online network service that's completely cross platform and for any storefront. I can't picture them not having online work across storefronts.
- drb91 8y ago
  I’d call it property damage and would expect full market value in compensation.
- vaer-k 8y ago
  This is a simplistic and specious argument. I think owning a game in 2019 (where so much of what is owned is a service, an environment, and a virtual identity within the game's universe) amounts to much more. So you're saying if you bought a car with smart electronics, then suddenly the manufacturer updates it so that the electronics no longer work properly, you wouldn't take issue? Or how about a credit card with rewards you work toward amassing, then another company buys the company that makes the card and wipes your rewards?
- m-p-3 8y ago
  You're comparing a product (Rocket League) to a subscription (Spotify). A closer comparison would be how Sony removed the ability to use the OtherOS feature in a firmware update, which could be seen as dealbreaker between buying or not buying the product for some, even after many years owning the product.
balls187 8y ago
You're speculating wildly here, and upset at the possibility that Epic will pull Rocketleague from Steam.
- hobs 8y ago
  When you have a beloved product and you announce something potentially concerning you go with some of those concerns up front - the announcement looks like a pretense of all those bad things not being possible while being vague as possible. I wouldnt say my speculation is wild - its pretty bog standard for video game companies or software companies in general changing hands.
  - balls187 8y ago
    Minecraft is fully supported on PS4, Switch and iOS platforms, Despite being owned by Microsoft.
- petetnt 8y ago
  Verge reports that Rocket League will be pulled from Steam https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/1/18525842/epic-games-psyonix-acquisition-rocket-league-fortnite-unreal-deal https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/1/18525842/epic-games-psyoni... "As a result of the deal, Psyonix says it will have access to more resources to support Rocket League’s competitive e-sports league and, by late 2019, will bring the game to Epic’s PC storefront. After that, Rocket League will no longer be available on Valve’s competing Steam store, though buyers of the Steam version will continue to receive support, which Variety is reporting includes downloadable content, patches, and all other future content. Terms of the deal, including how much money Epic paid to acquire Psyonix, were not made public. “The PC version of Rocket League will come to the Epic Games store in late 2019. In the meantime, it will continue to be available for purchase on Steam; thereafter it will continue to be supported on Steam for all existing purchasers,” reads a press release issued to media at the time of deal’s announcement."
  - belltaco 8y ago
    They will pull it from sale, not make the game inoperable if you bought it on Steam earlier.
m-p-3 8y ago
> However, if you want to break your game after I purchased it and change the rules of how that license works and dont expect me to possibly change my mind about my decision, think again. It kinda reminds me how Sony crippled the PS3 otherOS feature after the console was sold. It was deemed a major feature which was stripped away artificially and I understand how someone could be pissed.

by hobs 8y ago

sorenjan 8y ago

It sounds like you got what you payed for and have used it for a long time. Did you buy what what was available at the time, or did you pay for what you thought it would be years into the future? What other goods or services do you expect to use for years and then get your money back? If Spotify removes your favorite artist, do you expect to get money back for the years you already payed for while you listened to that artist?

hobs 8y ago
I think you are getting confused about how RL works. The continuing payments are decryptors and the rocket pass - this is the "continuing service" that frankly I am not talking about getting a refund on, I got my money for exactly what they promised. The initial price of rocket league is what I am talking about - and yes, that's where I believe that the contract of violations were broken. If you change your car's firmware 5 years after its released so it behaves in a way that I cant use it as I have always used it, I might have changed my purchase decision - and in the car example I usually get to accept or decline the change - I cant (obviously) because this has a service component.
- pas 8y ago
  Was there any promise (contractual obligation) to keep RL servers working for some years?
  - vaer-k 8y ago
    Give me a break. This is absolutely implied. Else what is the point of investing gaming time in the service developing your identity and game item inventory?
    - gspetr 8y ago
      If this were the case, wouldn't anyone just be able to successfully sue essentially any MMORPG that went under?
      - jasonmp85 8y ago
        Yes. The OP is behaving childishly and a prime example of entitlement in gamer culture.
        kkarakk 8y ago
        games are enjoyment and people are emotionally invested in things they enjoy, most people don't "get" it i think since every other form of media isn't as commoditized as games(yet). i wonder what kinda entitlement claims will be flying around in the future when disney yanks all their content to their streaming service and puts a nice HBO sized paywall around it. What happens when amazon kills the last book publisher and then decides to dynamically increase the price of series that people like to read - the next GRRM book is coming out! but it's only on amazon kindle and it's a 100 bucks! chapters are streamed to your device in real time so no taking notes there you pesky pirate. this is only the beginning, i can see why people are having knee jerk reactions to it
dejaime 8y ago
Well, they are pulling it from steam. Want to play with your friend that never played? Yeah, you'll need to buy him a copy... on epic's store. And a new one for yourself. Pulling it from steam is reason enough for me.
- WillPostForFood 8y ago
  So far all they've said is they aren't going to sell it on Steam. Any suggestion you won't be able to play with your friend is just speculation. The PC version of Rocket League will come to the Epic Games store in late 2019. In the meantime, it will continue to be available for purchase on Steam; thereafter it will continue to be supported on Steam for all existing purchasers." Furthermore, Epic clarified that support for Rocket League on Steam will continue even after the game is released on the Epic Games Store and players "will still be able to play Rocket League on Steam with all of the content they've previously purchased, same as always." https://www.usgamer.net/articles/epic-promises-support-for-rocket-league-on-all-platforms-no-announced-plans-to-pull-it-from-steam https://www.usgamer.net/articles/epic-promises-support-for-r...
  - vermilingua 8y ago
    I can’t imagine why Valve would continue to provide services such as Steamworks matchmaking and Workshop content for a game they can’t possibly make any more money from.
    - eridius 8y ago
      Because they'd get bad PR for yanking that stuff? It's not like it costs them a noticeable amount of money to maintain the existing services for a single game for customers who've already purchased it.
  - Bekwnn 8y ago
    Not just speculation, but unimaginably false. Epic even has a completely free online network service that's completely cross platform and for any storefront. I can't picture them not having online work across storefronts.
drb91 8y ago
I’d call it property damage and would expect full market value in compensation.
vaer-k 8y ago
This is a simplistic and specious argument. I think owning a game in 2019 (where so much of what is owned is a service, an environment, and a virtual identity within the game's universe) amounts to much more. So you're saying if you bought a car with smart electronics, then suddenly the manufacturer updates it so that the electronics no longer work properly, you wouldn't take issue? Or how about a credit card with rewards you work toward amassing, then another company buys the company that makes the card and wipes your rewards?
m-p-3 8y ago
You're comparing a product (Rocket League) to a subscription (Spotify). A closer comparison would be how Sony removed the ability to use the OtherOS feature in a firmware update, which could be seen as dealbreaker between buying or not buying the product for some, even after many years owning the product.

balls187 8y ago

You're speculating wildly here, and upset at the possibility that Epic will pull Rocketleague from Steam.

hobs 8y ago
When you have a beloved product and you announce something potentially concerning you go with some of those concerns up front - the announcement looks like a pretense of all those bad things not being possible while being vague as possible. I wouldnt say my speculation is wild - its pretty bog standard for video game companies or software companies in general changing hands.
- balls187 8y ago
  Minecraft is fully supported on PS4, Switch and iOS platforms, Despite being owned by Microsoft.
petetnt 8y ago
Verge reports that Rocket League will be pulled from Steam https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/1/18525842/epic-games-psyonix-acquisition-rocket-league-fortnite-unreal-deal https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/1/18525842/epic-games-psyoni... "As a result of the deal, Psyonix says it will have access to more resources to support Rocket League’s competitive e-sports league and, by late 2019, will bring the game to Epic’s PC storefront. After that, Rocket League will no longer be available on Valve’s competing Steam store, though buyers of the Steam version will continue to receive support, which Variety is reporting includes downloadable content, patches, and all other future content. Terms of the deal, including how much money Epic paid to acquire Psyonix, were not made public. “The PC version of Rocket League will come to the Epic Games store in late 2019. In the meantime, it will continue to be available for purchase on Steam; thereafter it will continue to be supported on Steam for all existing purchasers,” reads a press release issued to media at the time of deal’s announcement."
- belltaco 8y ago
  They will pull it from sale, not make the game inoperable if you bought it on Steam earlier.

m-p-3 8y ago

> However, if you want to break your game after I purchased it and change the rules of how that license works and dont expect me to possibly change my mind about my decision, think again. It kinda reminds me how Sony crippled the PS3 otherOS feature after the console was sold. It was deemed a major feature which was stripped away artificially and I understand how someone could be pissed.