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Why would you ask for a refund when you've played it for years? Does that time not count? Was it not enjoyable?

Reedx 8y ago
It's not uncommon to see gamers entitled to a comical degree. $20 for years of play time and server resource consumption. Thumbs down! 2,000 hours played? Thumbs down! (see Steam reviews for many examples of this) Ridiculous.
- hobs 8y ago
  Well thanks for that knee-jerk reaction instead of having any idea of how much time and money I have put into the game. I'd probably be considered a whale by Psy.
  - Retra 8y ago
    The irony being highlighted there is that you've provided a knee-jerk reaction instead of trying to understand how much time and effort people put into making an enjoyable game for you. Nobody would just assume you're propping the whole company up...
- bisby 8y ago
  I'm a linux user and EGS has no linux option. If they do pull the game from Steam, I can no longer play. Does it matter how much I paid or how many hours I have played? If I pay for a game, I'm sorry if I feel "entitled" to play it.
  - DelTaco 8y ago
    Existing users will not be affected
- bbradley406 8y ago
  I stopped playing it when they removed one of the best game game modes - unranked Rumble. For those who don't play it was a silly mode where you got a powerup every ten seconds that had wacky effects on the ball / other players. I had gotten bored of the regular modes and this one was the only one I still enjoyed. They made it ranked which had a lot of downsides that made it unplayable for me. Is this "gamer entitlement"? I paid full purchase price and supported the devs by buying cosmetics - and they take away my favorite game mode, rendering the game useless to me? Fuck that. There are so many other great games to play, and life is too short to waste on video games anyway.
  - esyir 8y ago
    Risk of disabling your car with a firmware patch: HN up in arms about how you bought your product and it shouldn't be disabled in such a fashion. Gamers complain about gamebreaking changes / purchase-driving features being removed: "Gamers are entitled" Yeah, games seem to be the field where even people who are typically pro-consumer go completely anti-consumer.
hobs 8y ago
Absolutely it counts, and it was enjoyable. However, if you want to break your game after I purchased it and change the rules of how that license works and dont expect me to possibly change my mind about my decision, think again. All the money I spent buying decryptors and getting wins/losses/placements and having an account where I could easily tell where all my friends are playing in one place also counts. When its likely that EGS will get features that I wont (even though I funded the original building of all this) it grinds my gears - the vague announcement from a corporate aquihire is a klaxon shouting about the changes that are in the pipeline. If Psy wants to say "hey, we'd be glad to move all your stuff over without a hassle" I actually wouldn't really be miffed, but that's not what they came to us with.
- sorenjan 8y ago
  It sounds like you got what you payed for and have used it for a long time. Did you buy what what was available at the time, or did you pay for what you thought it would be years into the future? What other goods or services do you expect to use for years and then get your money back? If Spotify removes your favorite artist, do you expect to get money back for the years you already payed for while you listened to that artist?
  - hobs 8y ago
    I think you are getting confused about how RL works. The continuing payments are decryptors and the rocket pass - this is the "continuing service" that frankly I am not talking about getting a refund on, I got my money for exactly what they promised. The initial price of rocket league is what I am talking about - and yes, that's where I believe that the contract of violations were broken. If you change your car's firmware 5 years after its released so it behaves in a way that I cant use it as I have always used it, I might have changed my purchase decision - and in the car example I usually get to accept or decline the change - I cant (obviously) because this has a service component.
    - pas 8y ago
      Was there any promise (contractual obligation) to keep RL servers working for some years?
bisby 8y ago
If I bought a DVD and Disney bursts into my house and takes it, "Did you not already watch the movie? Was it not enjoyable?" is not an excuse. No one would assume as much. I would very much expect my money back. And if they push out a DVD player firmware so it only works on a brand of DVD player I don't own, I would consider it the same thing. Breaking something I paid for after the fact means I'm not getting what we agreed upon, and I should get my money back, regardless of whether it was a physical good broken/taken or a digital one.
- deminature 8y ago
  This is a terrible analogy. Rocket League will still continue to be supported on Steam including new DLC released, just no longer sold to new customers. Nobody is taking anything from you.
  - glitchc 8y ago
    Stop defending these companies. You are entitled to ownership of something you paid for. It’s not a one-time lease agreement no matter what the software companies want you to think.
    - detaro 8y ago
      did you reply to the wrong comment?
    - deminature 8y ago
      I'm not sure you read my comment before responding. You retain your copy of Rocket League and it's supported indefinitely on Steam. Nothing has changed for existing owners.
  - m-p-3 8y ago
    They better gift copies to existing Steam copy owners on the EGS if they're going to split the userbase.
    - 8y ago

It's not uncommon to see gamers entitled to a comical degree. $20 for years of play time and server resource consumption. Thumbs down! 2,000 hours played? Thumbs down! (see Steam reviews for many examples of this) Ridiculous.

hobs 8y ago
Well thanks for that knee-jerk reaction instead of having any idea of how much time and money I have put into the game. I'd probably be considered a whale by Psy.
- Retra 8y ago
  The irony being highlighted there is that you've provided a knee-jerk reaction instead of trying to understand how much time and effort people put into making an enjoyable game for you. Nobody would just assume you're propping the whole company up...
bisby 8y ago
I'm a linux user and EGS has no linux option. If they do pull the game from Steam, I can no longer play. Does it matter how much I paid or how many hours I have played? If I pay for a game, I'm sorry if I feel "entitled" to play it.
- DelTaco 8y ago
  Existing users will not be affected
bbradley406 8y ago
I stopped playing it when they removed one of the best game game modes - unranked Rumble. For those who don't play it was a silly mode where you got a powerup every ten seconds that had wacky effects on the ball / other players. I had gotten bored of the regular modes and this one was the only one I still enjoyed. They made it ranked which had a lot of downsides that made it unplayable for me. Is this "gamer entitlement"? I paid full purchase price and supported the devs by buying cosmetics - and they take away my favorite game mode, rendering the game useless to me? Fuck that. There are so many other great games to play, and life is too short to waste on video games anyway.
- esyir 8y ago
  Risk of disabling your car with a firmware patch: HN up in arms about how you bought your product and it shouldn't be disabled in such a fashion. Gamers complain about gamebreaking changes / purchase-driving features being removed: "Gamers are entitled" Yeah, games seem to be the field where even people who are typically pro-consumer go completely anti-consumer.

hobs 8y ago

Absolutely it counts, and it was enjoyable. However, if you want to break your game after I purchased it and change the rules of how that license works and dont expect me to possibly change my mind about my decision, think again. All the money I spent buying decryptors and getting wins/losses/placements and having an account where I could easily tell where all my friends are playing in one place also counts. When its likely that EGS will get features that I wont (even though I funded the original building of all this) it grinds my gears - the vague announcement from a corporate aquihire is a klaxon shouting about the changes that are in the pipeline. If Psy wants to say "hey, we'd be glad to move all your stuff over without a hassle" I actually wouldn't really be miffed, but that's not what they came to us with.

sorenjan 8y ago
It sounds like you got what you payed for and have used it for a long time. Did you buy what what was available at the time, or did you pay for what you thought it would be years into the future? What other goods or services do you expect to use for years and then get your money back? If Spotify removes your favorite artist, do you expect to get money back for the years you already payed for while you listened to that artist?
- hobs 8y ago
  I think you are getting confused about how RL works. The continuing payments are decryptors and the rocket pass - this is the "continuing service" that frankly I am not talking about getting a refund on, I got my money for exactly what they promised. The initial price of rocket league is what I am talking about - and yes, that's where I believe that the contract of violations were broken. If you change your car's firmware 5 years after its released so it behaves in a way that I cant use it as I have always used it, I might have changed my purchase decision - and in the car example I usually get to accept or decline the change - I cant (obviously) because this has a service component.
  - pas 8y ago
    Was there any promise (contractual obligation) to keep RL servers working for some years?

bisby 8y ago

If I bought a DVD and Disney bursts into my house and takes it, "Did you not already watch the movie? Was it not enjoyable?" is not an excuse. No one would assume as much. I would very much expect my money back. And if they push out a DVD player firmware so it only works on a brand of DVD player I don't own, I would consider it the same thing. Breaking something I paid for after the fact means I'm not getting what we agreed upon, and I should get my money back, regardless of whether it was a physical good broken/taken or a digital one.

deminature 8y ago
This is a terrible analogy. Rocket League will still continue to be supported on Steam including new DLC released, just no longer sold to new customers. Nobody is taking anything from you.
- glitchc 8y ago
  Stop defending these companies. You are entitled to ownership of something you paid for. It’s not a one-time lease agreement no matter what the software companies want you to think.
  - detaro 8y ago
    did you reply to the wrong comment?
  - deminature 8y ago
    I'm not sure you read my comment before responding. You retain your copy of Rocket League and it's supported indefinitely on Steam. Nothing has changed for existing owners.
- m-p-3 8y ago
  They better gift copies to existing Steam copy owners on the EGS if they're going to split the userbase.
  - 8y ago