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This is a slanted, conspiratorial rant full of personal attacks.

msla 8y ago
> This is a slanted, conspiratorial rant full of personal attacks. Par for the course as regards reportage on systemd, in other words. It's weird: People are so het up on hating systemd it's like they forgot to give any truly coherent reasons why we should hate systemd. They just assume everyone does, and launch into the rant on that basis. It reminds me of people thinking disco is terrible and so much worse than any other kind of dance music, or that Nickleback is utterly inexcusable as opposed to being a somewhat mediocre rock band, or the endless stream of hatred for Modern architecture and Modern art. Once you remove the constant blaring hatred, there's just nothing there.
- fao_ 8y ago
  Have... have you actually read https://suckless.org/sucks/systemd/ https://suckless.org/sucks/systemd/ ? There are solid reasons for disliking systemd.
  - icedchai 8y ago
    I've been using Linux since 1993, FreeBSD since 1995. systemd has a weird, "non-unixy" feel to it. It does too much. Yeah, the fast bootup times are nice.
    - majewsky 8y ago
      > systemd has a weird, "non-unixy" feel to it. It just occurred to me that this is just the Tanenbaum-Torvalds debate all over again. Context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanenbaum%E2%80%93Torvalds_debate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanenbaum%E2%80%93Torvalds_deb...
      - yellowapple 8y ago
        Question is: is systemd the Linux or the MINIX in this particular debate?
    - fao_ 8y ago
      > Yeah, the fast bootup times are nice. Every machine I've put SystemD on takes an extra 20 seconds to boot. This includes thinkpads, and other machines. I've tried a mix of distributions, all of the ones with SystemD take longer. I've even tried altering things to take less time. So I don't see how 'faster boot' can be considered part of systemd's bag of tricks.
      - icedchai 8y ago
        Maybe it is all a lie. I mostly run it on servers.
yellowapple 8y ago
It's definitely a rant, but most of it (that I've read at least) is well-reasoned and not at all ad hominem in nature (aside perhaps from an irrational hatred of Red Hat in general).

msla 8y ago

> This is a slanted, conspiratorial rant full of personal attacks. Par for the course as regards reportage on systemd, in other words. It's weird: People are so het up on hating systemd it's like they forgot to give any truly coherent reasons why we should hate systemd. They just assume everyone does, and launch into the rant on that basis. It reminds me of people thinking disco is terrible and so much worse than any other kind of dance music, or that Nickleback is utterly inexcusable as opposed to being a somewhat mediocre rock band, or the endless stream of hatred for Modern architecture and Modern art. Once you remove the constant blaring hatred, there's just nothing there.

fao_ 8y ago
Have... have you actually read https://suckless.org/sucks/systemd/ https://suckless.org/sucks/systemd/ ? There are solid reasons for disliking systemd.
- icedchai 8y ago
  I've been using Linux since 1993, FreeBSD since 1995. systemd has a weird, "non-unixy" feel to it. It does too much. Yeah, the fast bootup times are nice.
  - majewsky 8y ago
    > systemd has a weird, "non-unixy" feel to it. It just occurred to me that this is just the Tanenbaum-Torvalds debate all over again. Context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanenbaum%E2%80%93Torvalds_debate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanenbaum%E2%80%93Torvalds_deb...
    - yellowapple 8y ago
      Question is: is systemd the Linux or the MINIX in this particular debate?
  - fao_ 8y ago
    > Yeah, the fast bootup times are nice. Every machine I've put SystemD on takes an extra 20 seconds to boot. This includes thinkpads, and other machines. I've tried a mix of distributions, all of the ones with SystemD take longer. I've even tried altering things to take less time. So I don't see how 'faster boot' can be considered part of systemd's bag of tricks.
    - icedchai 8y ago
      Maybe it is all a lie. I mostly run it on servers.

yellowapple 8y ago

It's definitely a rant, but most of it (that I've read at least) is well-reasoned and not at all ad hominem in nature (aside perhaps from an irrational hatred of Red Hat in general).