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I already showed you and explained how they were wrong. It doesn't matter that it's from 2014 the underlying point is still the same as it has nothing to do wit

I already showed you and explained how they were wrong. It doesn't matter that it's from 2014 the underlying point is still the same as it has nothing to do with how much has been added but how you measure it to get to those number you are. You are talking about electricity it's not energy. You are talking about what % of electricity is produced IN Germany now what it consumes (i.e. imports) Your number needs to factor in capacity factor (it doesn't) The point of this discussion is whether Solar can be used for large scale energy consumption. It can't and it isn't and you haven't showed that to be the case for the very reasons I just explained to you. Sun could be 100% based on the way you present it and it still wouldn't mean that Germany didn't use other types. Thats the point you seem to be missing here.

_ph_ 8y ago
I already showed you and explained how they were wrong. It doesn't matter that it's from 2014 the underlying point is still the same as it has nothing to do with how much has been added but how you measure it to get to those number you are No, you claimed that my number of 45% reneweable electricity production in Germany for 2019 so far is false. But you provided a link which showed that it was 40% in 2017 already. So how have you shown my number wrong? Please let us just talk about the number, don't start other topics as in your previous post. You are talking about electricity it's not energy. Yes, I am talking about electricity, my claim was clearly referring to that. How was my claim wrong? You are talking about what % of electricity is produced IN Germany now what it consumes (i.e. imports) Germany is a net electricity exporter. Your number needs to factor in capacity factor (it doesn't) What capacity factor needs to be factored in and how when just doing the sum of the production in Watt hours? The point of this discussion is whether Solar can be used for large scale energy consumption. It can't and it isn't and you haven't showed that to be the case for the very reasons I just explained to you. My claim didn't talk about solar specifically, but about all reneweables together. How was the number I named wrong? Sun could be 100% based on the way you present it and it still wouldn't mean that Germany didn't use other types. No, I have not made any claim about solar. I have just named the total percentage of reneweable electricity of the total electric production.
- ThomPete 8y ago
  It is false for the reasons I already explained to you. That number is misleading. Renewables are calculated that way which is what is misleading for reasons I already explained.
  - _ph_ 8y ago
    No, you didn't you opened up a whole range of other topics. So, what is wrong with just making a talley, how much energy is produced by all power plants? And how is the number of 40% for the reneweable part of the energy production (not installed capacity or whatever) wrong for germany?
    - ThomPete 8y ago
      They ARE the topics which needs to be understood if you want to understand what that number means.
      - _ph_ 8y ago
        Are you going to provide some content to the discussion, or do you just keep talking? Name me a single reason, why you think that all sources which list the German electricity production - to make it clear, that means the amount of electricity put into the grid - at 40% reneweable sources is wrong. Don't claim you said it somewhere, give it here, as a single clear statement.
        ThomPete 8y ago
        I gave you multiple reasons. Capacity factor (which means that you have to reduce the number to that factor which is betewen 20-40% of what is stated as capacity is different than actual usage) It's only electricity produced in germany (which means you have to include electricity coming from other places than Germany) That electricity is a subset of energy. It's pretty simple. Your number ignores those facts to get to that numbers. If you factor those things in the number will dramatically smaller.

I already showed you and explained how they were wrong. It doesn't matter that it's from 2014 the underlying point is still the same as it has nothing to do with how much has been added but how you measure it to get to those number you are. You are talking about electricity it's not energy. You are talking about what % of electricity is produced IN Germany now what it consumes (i.e. imports) Your number needs to factor in capacity factor (it doesn't) The point of this discussion is whether Solar can be used for large scale energy consumption. It can't and it isn't and you haven't showed that to be the case for the very reasons I just explained to you. Sun could be 100% based on the way you present it and it still wouldn't mean that Germany didn't use other types. Thats the point you seem to be missing here.

_ph_ 8y ago

I already showed you and explained how they were wrong. It doesn't matter that it's from 2014 the underlying point is still the same as it has nothing to do with how much has been added but how you measure it to get to those number you are No, you claimed that my number of 45% reneweable electricity production in Germany for 2019 so far is false. But you provided a link which showed that it was 40% in 2017 already. So how have you shown my number wrong? Please let us just talk about the number, don't start other topics as in your previous post. You are talking about electricity it's not energy. Yes, I am talking about electricity, my claim was clearly referring to that. How was my claim wrong? You are talking about what % of electricity is produced IN Germany now what it consumes (i.e. imports) Germany is a net electricity exporter. Your number needs to factor in capacity factor (it doesn't) What capacity factor needs to be factored in and how when just doing the sum of the production in Watt hours? The point of this discussion is whether Solar can be used for large scale energy consumption. It can't and it isn't and you haven't showed that to be the case for the very reasons I just explained to you. My claim didn't talk about solar specifically, but about all reneweables together. How was the number I named wrong? Sun could be 100% based on the way you present it and it still wouldn't mean that Germany didn't use other types. No, I have not made any claim about solar. I have just named the total percentage of reneweable electricity of the total electric production.

ThomPete 8y ago
It is false for the reasons I already explained to you. That number is misleading. Renewables are calculated that way which is what is misleading for reasons I already explained.
- _ph_ 8y ago
  No, you didn't you opened up a whole range of other topics. So, what is wrong with just making a talley, how much energy is produced by all power plants? And how is the number of 40% for the reneweable part of the energy production (not installed capacity or whatever) wrong for germany?
  - ThomPete 8y ago
    They ARE the topics which needs to be understood if you want to understand what that number means.
    - _ph_ 8y ago
      Are you going to provide some content to the discussion, or do you just keep talking? Name me a single reason, why you think that all sources which list the German electricity production - to make it clear, that means the amount of electricity put into the grid - at 40% reneweable sources is wrong. Don't claim you said it somewhere, give it here, as a single clear statement.
      - ThomPete 8y ago
        I gave you multiple reasons. Capacity factor (which means that you have to reduce the number to that factor which is betewen 20-40% of what is stated as capacity is different than actual usage) It's only electricity produced in germany (which means you have to include electricity coming from other places than Germany) That electricity is a subset of energy. It's pretty simple. Your number ignores those facts to get to that numbers. If you factor those things in the number will dramatically smaller.