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I am indifferent to FB. They started with a promise, then they realized the money potential and went ahead abusing it. They were caught and faced some flak.

I am indifferent to FB. They started with a promise, then they realized the money potential and went ahead abusing it. They were caught and faced some flak. They realized that people have started caring about privacy. Hence this new pitch. I don't say the Mark Zuckerberg is evil, he himself is helpless. He can't change the FB DNA overnight, it would risk the very existence of the company. In summary, don't expect things to change anytime soon.

wavefunction 8y ago
Helpless? Facebook should probably change their leadership then.
- sidcool 8y ago
  Helpless in terms of capitalism. Their entire business model depends on privacy violation. Zuck cannot change this without risking the future of the company. He is helpless in this regard.
  - JohnFen 8y ago
    That's not being helpless. That's making a business decision.
save_ferris 8y ago
He's arguably the most powerful and protected CEO in America. He literally cannot be ousted from FB by the board. If one of the most powerful executives in America can't bring about wholesale change to the business and is truly helpless as you describe, who else could possibly come in and make a difference? If the company's existence is threatened, so be it. They're in this position due to the actions they've chosen, and immortality is guaranteed for no one.
snarf21 8y ago
No, he is evil. He called people who gave FB data "... dumb f#@$s" back when he was 19. It was just that in the beginning they weren't pushing the monetization yet. Now that is all it is about and people are starting to understand how they are being exploited. The only thing that has changed is that you are aware. HE is the FB DNA.
- SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
  Not that I disagree with you, but when people bring this up I like to point out that I said a lot of stupid stuff as a teenager, and the vast majority would be lying if they claimed that they didn't, too.
  - jrace 8y ago
    And if saying that stupid stuff made you stupid rich do you think you would have changed your ways and done the right thing? He has both the money and the power to do the right thing yest clearly has no desire to.
  - mattkevan 8y ago
    Considering the average age of a Fortune 500 CEO is 57, Zuckerberg is still a teenager...
  - snarf21 8y ago
    That's a fair point and I'd be more inclined to give the benefit of the doubt if he behavior had changed in the last 15 years. The recent app around VPN and teens shows that he doesn't care (and they renamed and republished that app multiple times).
    - Shish2k 8y ago
      > they renamed and republished that app multiple times Do you have a source for that? I'm only aware of Onavo code being shared with another FB survey app which was running in parallel (ie, not the same app renamed and republished)
  - visarga 8y ago
    > ... I said a lot of stupid stuff as a teenager Yet this declaration was specifically about his view on privacy at FaceBook, not just random shit.
  - JohnFen 8y ago
    > I said a lot of stupid stuff as a teenager, and the vast majority would be lying if they claimed that they didn't, too. Sure, but the stupid stuff that I said as a teenager actually reflected true aspects of my attitude and personality. I suspect the same is true of the vast majority of people.
JohnFen 8y ago
> I don't say the Mark Zuckerberg is evil "Evil" is a a loaded term. I think it's more accurate to say that Zuckerberg is knowingly deceptive in an effort to ensure that Facebook can continue to engage in pervasive surveillance without too much public outrage.

wavefunction 8y ago

Helpless? Facebook should probably change their leadership then.

sidcool 8y ago
Helpless in terms of capitalism. Their entire business model depends on privacy violation. Zuck cannot change this without risking the future of the company. He is helpless in this regard.
- JohnFen 8y ago
  That's not being helpless. That's making a business decision.

save_ferris 8y ago

He's arguably the most powerful and protected CEO in America. He literally cannot be ousted from FB by the board. If one of the most powerful executives in America can't bring about wholesale change to the business and is truly helpless as you describe, who else could possibly come in and make a difference? If the company's existence is threatened, so be it. They're in this position due to the actions they've chosen, and immortality is guaranteed for no one.

snarf21 8y ago

No, he is evil. He called people who gave FB data "... dumb f#@$s" back when he was 19. It was just that in the beginning they weren't pushing the monetization yet. Now that is all it is about and people are starting to understand how they are being exploited. The only thing that has changed is that you are aware. HE is the FB DNA.

SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
Not that I disagree with you, but when people bring this up I like to point out that I said a lot of stupid stuff as a teenager, and the vast majority would be lying if they claimed that they didn't, too.
- jrace 8y ago
  And if saying that stupid stuff made you stupid rich do you think you would have changed your ways and done the right thing? He has both the money and the power to do the right thing yest clearly has no desire to.
- mattkevan 8y ago
  Considering the average age of a Fortune 500 CEO is 57, Zuckerberg is still a teenager...
- snarf21 8y ago
  That's a fair point and I'd be more inclined to give the benefit of the doubt if he behavior had changed in the last 15 years. The recent app around VPN and teens shows that he doesn't care (and they renamed and republished that app multiple times).
  - Shish2k 8y ago
    > they renamed and republished that app multiple times Do you have a source for that? I'm only aware of Onavo code being shared with another FB survey app which was running in parallel (ie, not the same app renamed and republished)
- visarga 8y ago
  > ... I said a lot of stupid stuff as a teenager Yet this declaration was specifically about his view on privacy at FaceBook, not just random shit.
- JohnFen 8y ago
  > I said a lot of stupid stuff as a teenager, and the vast majority would be lying if they claimed that they didn't, too. Sure, but the stupid stuff that I said as a teenager actually reflected true aspects of my attitude and personality. I suspect the same is true of the vast majority of people.

JohnFen 8y ago

> I don't say the Mark Zuckerberg is evil "Evil" is a a loaded term. I think it's more accurate to say that Zuckerberg is knowingly deceptive in an effort to ensure that Facebook can continue to engage in pervasive surveillance without too much public outrage.