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I used to think like you. Then I started digging into things a little deeper and came away utterly horrified at how much of what we read is completely misleadin

I used to think like you. Then I started digging into things a little deeper and came away utterly horrified at how much of what we read is completely misleading. Lets start with the idea that wind is somehow making strides: https://www.iea.org/weo/?fbclid=IwAR349_IjpQUn2HChgQCGGaYlR6xPPMpgdaiOgj33o1EhPDSTDSbAM5D8ZIo https://www.iea.org/weo/?fbclid=IwAR349_IjpQUn2HChgQCGGaYlR6... Today it's less than 1% of the world's energy (which is the important factor here not just electricity) Projected to be 3% in 2040. With regards to Germanys ELECTRICITY usage (again it's not energy but electricity): https://www.energycentral.com/c/ec/reality-check-germany-does-not-get-half-its-energy-solar-panels https://www.energycentral.com/c/ec/reality-check-germany-doe... And again pile up all the other things I talked on top of that and you get to why your "facts" are not actually useful but misleading. Regarding energy prices in Germany https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/german-households-and-industry-pay-highest-power-prices-europe https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/german-households-and-i... Regarding capacity factor: http://www.nmppenergy.org/feature/capacity_factor http://www.nmppenergy.org/feature/capacity_factor Regarding CO2 emissions: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-germany-emissions/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-germany-emissions/

_ph_ 8y ago
>I used to think like you. Then I started digging into things a little deeper and came away utterly horrified at how much of >what we read is completely misleading. >Lets start with the idea that wind is somehow making strides: >https://www.iea.org/weo/?fbclid=IwAR349_IjpQUn2HChgQCGGaYlR6.. https://www.iea.org/weo/?fbclid=IwAR349_IjpQUn2HChgQCGGaYlR6.... >Today it's less than 1% of the world's energy (which is the important factor here not just electricity) Projected to be 3% >in 2040. I wasn't talking about the world number, but the German number. >With regards to Germanys ELECTRICITY usage (again it's not energy but electricity): >https://www.energycentral.com/c/ec/reality-check-germany-doe.. https://www.energycentral.com/c/ec/reality-check-germany-doe.... >And again pile up all the other things I talked on top of that and you get to why your "facts" are not actually useful but >misleading. Besides that link being from 2014, we have added a lot of reneweables since, it isn't contradicting what I said. >Regarding energy prices in Germany >https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/german-households-and-i.. https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/german-households-and-i.... Yes, energy prices in Germany are high for private households, as the costs for the transition are put only on private consumers and small businesses while large industries pay none of it. This is rightfully critisized by many. What is the relevance for the discussion here? > Regarding capacity factor: http://www.nmppenergy.org/feature/capacity_factor http://www.nmppenergy.org/feature/capacity_factor Yes, and? > Regarding CO2 emissions: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-germany-emissions/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-germany-emissions/ This article actually confirms the numbers I named, with almost 40% reneweables in 2017. So you show that your claim about my numbers is wrong. Thanks.
- ThomPete 8y ago
  I already showed you and explained how they were wrong. It doesn't matter that it's from 2014 the underlying point is still the same as it has nothing to do with how much has been added but how you measure it to get to those number you are. You are talking about electricity it's not energy. You are talking about what % of electricity is produced IN Germany now what it consumes (i.e. imports) Your number needs to factor in capacity factor (it doesn't) The point of this discussion is whether Solar can be used for large scale energy consumption. It can't and it isn't and you haven't showed that to be the case for the very reasons I just explained to you. Sun could be 100% based on the way you present it and it still wouldn't mean that Germany didn't use other types. Thats the point you seem to be missing here.
  - _ph_ 8y ago
    I already showed you and explained how they were wrong. It doesn't matter that it's from 2014 the underlying point is still the same as it has nothing to do with how much has been added but how you measure it to get to those number you are No, you claimed that my number of 45% reneweable electricity production in Germany for 2019 so far is false. But you provided a link which showed that it was 40% in 2017 already. So how have you shown my number wrong? Please let us just talk about the number, don't start other topics as in your previous post. You are talking about electricity it's not energy. Yes, I am talking about electricity, my claim was clearly referring to that. How was my claim wrong? You are talking about what % of electricity is produced IN Germany now what it consumes (i.e. imports) Germany is a net electricity exporter. Your number needs to factor in capacity factor (it doesn't) What capacity factor needs to be factored in and how when just doing the sum of the production in Watt hours? The point of this discussion is whether Solar can be used for large scale energy consumption. It can't and it isn't and you haven't showed that to be the case for the very reasons I just explained to you. My claim didn't talk about solar specifically, but about all reneweables together. How was the number I named wrong? Sun could be 100% based on the way you present it and it still wouldn't mean that Germany didn't use other types. No, I have not made any claim about solar. I have just named the total percentage of reneweable electricity of the total electric production.

_ph_ 8y ago

>I used to think like you. Then I started digging into things a little deeper and came away utterly horrified at how much of >what we read is completely misleading. >Lets start with the idea that wind is somehow making strides: >https://www.iea.org/weo/?fbclid=IwAR349_IjpQUn2HChgQCGGaYlR6.. https://www.iea.org/weo/?fbclid=IwAR349_IjpQUn2HChgQCGGaYlR6.... >Today it's less than 1% of the world's energy (which is the important factor here not just electricity) Projected to be 3% >in 2040. I wasn't talking about the world number, but the German number. >With regards to Germanys ELECTRICITY usage (again it's not energy but electricity): >https://www.energycentral.com/c/ec/reality-check-germany-doe.. https://www.energycentral.com/c/ec/reality-check-germany-doe.... >And again pile up all the other things I talked on top of that and you get to why your "facts" are not actually useful but >misleading. Besides that link being from 2014, we have added a lot of reneweables since, it isn't contradicting what I said. >Regarding energy prices in Germany >https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/german-households-and-i.. https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/german-households-and-i.... Yes, energy prices in Germany are high for private households, as the costs for the transition are put only on private consumers and small businesses while large industries pay none of it. This is rightfully critisized by many. What is the relevance for the discussion here? > Regarding capacity factor: http://www.nmppenergy.org/feature/capacity_factor http://www.nmppenergy.org/feature/capacity_factor Yes, and? > Regarding CO2 emissions: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-germany-emissions/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-germany-emissions/ This article actually confirms the numbers I named, with almost 40% reneweables in 2017. So you show that your claim about my numbers is wrong. Thanks.

ThomPete 8y ago
I already showed you and explained how they were wrong. It doesn't matter that it's from 2014 the underlying point is still the same as it has nothing to do with how much has been added but how you measure it to get to those number you are. You are talking about electricity it's not energy. You are talking about what % of electricity is produced IN Germany now what it consumes (i.e. imports) Your number needs to factor in capacity factor (it doesn't) The point of this discussion is whether Solar can be used for large scale energy consumption. It can't and it isn't and you haven't showed that to be the case for the very reasons I just explained to you. Sun could be 100% based on the way you present it and it still wouldn't mean that Germany didn't use other types. Thats the point you seem to be missing here.
- _ph_ 8y ago
  I already showed you and explained how they were wrong. It doesn't matter that it's from 2014 the underlying point is still the same as it has nothing to do with how much has been added but how you measure it to get to those number you are No, you claimed that my number of 45% reneweable electricity production in Germany for 2019 so far is false. But you provided a link which showed that it was 40% in 2017 already. So how have you shown my number wrong? Please let us just talk about the number, don't start other topics as in your previous post. You are talking about electricity it's not energy. Yes, I am talking about electricity, my claim was clearly referring to that. How was my claim wrong? You are talking about what % of electricity is produced IN Germany now what it consumes (i.e. imports) Germany is a net electricity exporter. Your number needs to factor in capacity factor (it doesn't) What capacity factor needs to be factored in and how when just doing the sum of the production in Watt hours? The point of this discussion is whether Solar can be used for large scale energy consumption. It can't and it isn't and you haven't showed that to be the case for the very reasons I just explained to you. My claim didn't talk about solar specifically, but about all reneweables together. How was the number I named wrong? Sun could be 100% based on the way you present it and it still wouldn't mean that Germany didn't use other types. No, I have not made any claim about solar. I have just named the total percentage of reneweable electricity of the total electric production.