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"Maybe 2 years ago there was still room for honest debate among Python package tooling. There just sincerely isn’t anymore." That is way out of line. I'm not

"Maybe 2 years ago there was still room for honest debate among Python package tooling. There just sincerely isn’t anymore." That is way out of line. I'm not going to try to talk you out of conda, but for the benefit of anyone reading your comment who doesn't know better I have to point out that your opinion is far from universal.

mlthoughts2018 8y ago
It’s sincerely not out of line. You can still use pip to install within conda environments, yet conda packaging just supersedes other approaches. Of particular inportance is the unambiguous failure of pipfile/pipenv and similar approaches. I’ve been working day in and day out with packaging and environments in Python for 12 years, and nothing has come close to being as serious of a general solution as conda. I count my blessings every day I get to use it, remembering the bad old days with Python’s native packaging, wheels & eggs, and then also the pipfile / pipenv mess.
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- Sean1708 8y ago
  > unambiguous failure of pipfile/pipenv and similar approaches. How have those approaches failed?
  - mlthoughts2018 8y ago
    Here is but one discussion out of the numerous discussions refuting pipenv, - https://chriswarrick.com/blog/2018/07/17/pipenv-promises-a-lot-delivers-very-little/ https://chriswarrick.com/blog/2018/07/17/pipenv-promises-a-l...
    - throwaway5752 8y ago
      "I haven’t tried it, but I consider Conda/Anaconda unnecessary for most use-cases. Most stuff that used to be difficult to compile/install should now be available as PyPI wheels for multiple platforms." https://chriswarrick.com/blog/2018/07/17/pipenv-promises-a-lot-delivers-very-little/#isso-178 https://chriswarrick.com/blog/2018/07/17/pipenv-promises-a-l... That is the author of that blog post, replying to a comment there.
      - mlthoughts2018 8y ago
        So the author, who hasn’t tried conda, dismisses it. What is your point? How does this relate to the criticisms of pipenv?
    - Sean1708 8y ago
      So what about the "and similar approaches" part of your comment? The author seems to have only minor issues with Poetry (for example) and I agree with him, it fixes or provides simple workarounds for all the major pain points of Pipenv as far as I can tell.

mlthoughts2018 8y ago

It’s sincerely not out of line. You can still use pip to install within conda environments, yet conda packaging just supersedes other approaches. Of particular inportance is the unambiguous failure of pipfile/pipenv and similar approaches. I’ve been working day in and day out with packaging and environments in Python for 12 years, and nothing has come close to being as serious of a general solution as conda. I count my blessings every day I get to use it, remembering the bad old days with Python’s native packaging, wheels & eggs, and then also the pipfile / pipenv mess.

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Sean1708 8y ago
> unambiguous failure of pipfile/pipenv and similar approaches. How have those approaches failed?
- mlthoughts2018 8y ago
  Here is but one discussion out of the numerous discussions refuting pipenv, - https://chriswarrick.com/blog/2018/07/17/pipenv-promises-a-lot-delivers-very-little/ https://chriswarrick.com/blog/2018/07/17/pipenv-promises-a-l...
  - throwaway5752 8y ago
    "I haven’t tried it, but I consider Conda/Anaconda unnecessary for most use-cases. Most stuff that used to be difficult to compile/install should now be available as PyPI wheels for multiple platforms." https://chriswarrick.com/blog/2018/07/17/pipenv-promises-a-lot-delivers-very-little/#isso-178 https://chriswarrick.com/blog/2018/07/17/pipenv-promises-a-l... That is the author of that blog post, replying to a comment there.
    - mlthoughts2018 8y ago
      So the author, who hasn’t tried conda, dismisses it. What is your point? How does this relate to the criticisms of pipenv?
  - Sean1708 8y ago
    So what about the "and similar approaches" part of your comment? The author seems to have only minor issues with Poetry (for example) and I agree with him, it fixes or provides simple workarounds for all the major pain points of Pipenv as far as I can tell.