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"Your phone isn't safe at the border" is a statement of fact, really, not fear mongering. It is not safe from warrantless searches.

PhasmaFelis 8y ago
It can be both.
floatingatoll 8y ago
The assumption you leave unstated is that it is unsafe to have your phone searched by the government. While that's a point of view I consider true for many, and I endorse halting warrantless border searches of phones, it is certainly not true to say that phone searches are unsafe for all.
- _Understated_ 8y ago
  I know what you mean but I think the opposite: It IS unsafe to have warrantless government searches on your phone. Once people get used to that what's next? Since we have your phone open, just go and pop your Gmail credentials in there for us why don't you? Your phone was in your pocket so what else do you have in there? Keys, what do they open? etc... It's a slippery slope and the reason we have checks and balances.
fhbdukfrh 8y ago
But you just answered the GP's concern, safe from what? Also, just my phone? What about my laptop? Safe from searches? Pickpockets? Malware? There's a big difference between raising awareness of issues(ex know your rights - check out xyz.com for more info) vs big brother is, watching; trust no one, followed by a border security queue
- Sir_Substance 8y ago
  >Also, just my phone? What about my laptop? Safe from searches? Pickpockets? Malware? If slogans had to be that comprehensive to be allowed, we would be blessedly free of advertising. "Your phone isn't safe at the border" is on pretty much the same level as "for everything else there's mastercard" on the accuracy<->drama scale. I think your standards are beyond unreasonable here.
jrockway 8y ago
I am guessing that a random person seeing that ad would be concerned about their phone getting physically damaged, not about their civil rights being violated. It's a sad but true reality.
- woah 8y ago
  It could be confiscated
freedomben 8y ago
Related: https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/usa-border-phones-search-1.4494371 https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/usa-border-phones-search-...
- null0pointer 8y ago
  > U.S. officials say it remains a minuscule percentage of overall travellers — 0.007 per cent, or roughly one per 13,000. The Department of Homeland Security says it's necessary to combat crimes like terrorism and child pornography. I'm sick of hearing this argument. Either it's a small percentage of travellers or it's necessary to combat those crimes, but you cannot have both. The only way to have both of those is if you already have some probable cause or a reason to search particular individuals, in which case there's no need for it to be warrantless.

PhasmaFelis 8y ago

It can be both.

floatingatoll 8y ago

The assumption you leave unstated is that it is unsafe to have your phone searched by the government. While that's a point of view I consider true for many, and I endorse halting warrantless border searches of phones, it is certainly not true to say that phone searches are unsafe for all.

_Understated_ 8y ago
I know what you mean but I think the opposite: It IS unsafe to have warrantless government searches on your phone. Once people get used to that what's next? Since we have your phone open, just go and pop your Gmail credentials in there for us why don't you? Your phone was in your pocket so what else do you have in there? Keys, what do they open? etc... It's a slippery slope and the reason we have checks and balances.

fhbdukfrh 8y ago

But you just answered the GP's concern, safe from what? Also, just my phone? What about my laptop? Safe from searches? Pickpockets? Malware? There's a big difference between raising awareness of issues(ex know your rights - check out xyz.com for more info) vs big brother is, watching; trust no one, followed by a border security queue

Sir_Substance 8y ago
>Also, just my phone? What about my laptop? Safe from searches? Pickpockets? Malware? If slogans had to be that comprehensive to be allowed, we would be blessedly free of advertising. "Your phone isn't safe at the border" is on pretty much the same level as "for everything else there's mastercard" on the accuracy<->drama scale. I think your standards are beyond unreasonable here.

jrockway 8y ago

I am guessing that a random person seeing that ad would be concerned about their phone getting physically damaged, not about their civil rights being violated. It's a sad but true reality.

woah 8y ago
It could be confiscated

freedomben 8y ago

Related: https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/usa-border-phones-search-1.4494371 https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/usa-border-phones-search-...

null0pointer 8y ago
> U.S. officials say it remains a minuscule percentage of overall travellers — 0.007 per cent, or roughly one per 13,000. The Department of Homeland Security says it's necessary to combat crimes like terrorism and child pornography. I'm sick of hearing this argument. Either it's a small percentage of travellers or it's necessary to combat those crimes, but you cannot have both. The only way to have both of those is if you already have some probable cause or a reason to search particular individuals, in which case there's no need for it to be warrantless.