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I see it as less about how I win than here's how I get people to realize the effect their behaviour had on me to a point that I considered that suicide was the

I see it as less about how I win than here's how I get people to realize the effect their behaviour had on me to a point that I considered that suicide was the only viable to way to end a suffering I can't see any other way out of.

kkarakk 7y ago
these kindsa shows glamorizing the effects are ignoring one crucial fact - when the person affected dies, it becomes 10 times easier for everyone to ignore/avoid the issues that led to her death. sure some people may reform/chase the issues but those are statistical outliers. there is also the "they were mentally unstable and any testimony they provided posthumously is suspect" which lawyers can and will use
- balabaster 7y ago
  The other issue is that the kind of people that bully someone to the point that suicide is the only way out often lack the empathy and self-reflection to understand that they were the cause of the problem. The way they called this out in the show could be interpreted as vengeful, but is there any other way they could have addressed this angle? The jock football captain raped her and then showed such little remorse, not only brushing it off as nothing, but that because of who he was, she obviously was "gagging for him" (to coin a British phrase.) He thought of it as having done her a favour by gracing her with his attention. Is there any other way to demonstrate what effect that had on her mental state to someone with such narcissistic tendencies than to choose a tactic like this to make him hear her and understand the effect he had on her? He clearly lacked empathy and had little if any ability, or want to self reflect. If she'd still been alive, he probably never would have listened to the tape. He'd have scoffed at her and belittled her and would never have given his behaviour a second thought. He only listened to the tapes because he was backed into a corner where he needed to know what was said so he could get in front of it and keep himself out of trouble. He needed to keep himself in everyone else's good graces because the image he needed to uphold to maintain his place in society was more important to him than his integrity. Sure, she was mentally unstable... but why was she mentally unstable? The eloquence demonstrated on the tapes were evidence that the torment of her life was the cause of this instability. Any sufficiently skilled lawyer would've been able to argue that point from the tapes alone.
  - kkarakk 7y ago
    I wouldn't take ranting on cassette tapes and then offing yourself as a sign of mental stability(and i would be more likely to be selected for a jury as a result). The average judge wouldn't even bother listening to the tapes and would ask for a transcript and MAYBE listen to one or two tapes for emotional context(good luck if those were the most incoherent tapes). Also you are SEVERELY over-estimating how much empathy the average society has for dead people. sure it's shocking but the human mind bounces back REALLY quickly. if it didn't then every school shooting would paralyze the state/country it happened in for years(and clearly it doesn't). it took the world only a decade to forget the atrocities of the world war. 9/11 is a joke to most people now and mostly written off as a one-off. You don't effect change by taking your ball and going home

kkarakk 7y ago

these kindsa shows glamorizing the effects are ignoring one crucial fact - when the person affected dies, it becomes 10 times easier for everyone to ignore/avoid the issues that led to her death. sure some people may reform/chase the issues but those are statistical outliers. there is also the "they were mentally unstable and any testimony they provided posthumously is suspect" which lawyers can and will use

balabaster 7y ago
The other issue is that the kind of people that bully someone to the point that suicide is the only way out often lack the empathy and self-reflection to understand that they were the cause of the problem. The way they called this out in the show could be interpreted as vengeful, but is there any other way they could have addressed this angle? The jock football captain raped her and then showed such little remorse, not only brushing it off as nothing, but that because of who he was, she obviously was "gagging for him" (to coin a British phrase.) He thought of it as having done her a favour by gracing her with his attention. Is there any other way to demonstrate what effect that had on her mental state to someone with such narcissistic tendencies than to choose a tactic like this to make him hear her and understand the effect he had on her? He clearly lacked empathy and had little if any ability, or want to self reflect. If she'd still been alive, he probably never would have listened to the tape. He'd have scoffed at her and belittled her and would never have given his behaviour a second thought. He only listened to the tapes because he was backed into a corner where he needed to know what was said so he could get in front of it and keep himself out of trouble. He needed to keep himself in everyone else's good graces because the image he needed to uphold to maintain his place in society was more important to him than his integrity. Sure, she was mentally unstable... but why was she mentally unstable? The eloquence demonstrated on the tapes were evidence that the torment of her life was the cause of this instability. Any sufficiently skilled lawyer would've been able to argue that point from the tapes alone.
- kkarakk 7y ago
  I wouldn't take ranting on cassette tapes and then offing yourself as a sign of mental stability(and i would be more likely to be selected for a jury as a result). The average judge wouldn't even bother listening to the tapes and would ask for a transcript and MAYBE listen to one or two tapes for emotional context(good luck if those were the most incoherent tapes). Also you are SEVERELY over-estimating how much empathy the average society has for dead people. sure it's shocking but the human mind bounces back REALLY quickly. if it didn't then every school shooting would paralyze the state/country it happened in for years(and clearly it doesn't). it took the world only a decade to forget the atrocities of the world war. 9/11 is a joke to most people now and mostly written off as a one-off. You don't effect change by taking your ball and going home