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I haven't seen the show so can't comment on my opinion of it, but this is a personal choice. Almost certainly there are many people who enjoy the show in its cu

I haven't seen the show so can't comment on my opinion of it, but this is a personal choice. Almost certainly there are many people who enjoy the show in its current form. Parents shouldn't let their children watch shows they don't approve of. For everyone else, just don't watch if it bothers you. Yes, it's fine to criticize and comment, but creators are under no obligation to listen to the critics and in most cases are better off sticking to their original vision.

DanBC 8y ago
This isn't people being offended by content. This is a show that causes harm. The scientific consensus is that this show has harmed people.
- malvosenior 8y ago
  I didn't say it was about people being offended. My point is that we shouldn't expect art to be bland and harmless. Some art will cause harm (just like tons of things in our society do: alcohol, gambling...). We collectively need to toughen up, accept that not everything is safe and enjoy the multitude of choices we have in how we live our lives.
  - DanBC 8y ago
    > alcohol, gambling Both of these are strictly regulated, right? I don't think you're suggesting that media companies should be similarly regulated, but I don't know why you'd mention them. >We collectively need to toughen up Unfortunate phrasing in the context of vulnerable children killing themselves.
ergothus 8y ago
You're skipping the concept of communal concepts though. I have the message I get from my parents, the message I get from "everyone else" (which is really several messages from various groups), and the message I determine for myself. That latter is heavily influenced by what the other messages say. (See the other current HN article about student drinking being decided by how much they think others are drinking). To simply say "Choose for yourself and your children, I'll do the same, and we shouldn't talk about it" is a de facto declaration that society as a whole approves of the behavior/activity. On this particular issue I honestly have no idea where I stand...I know of and believe the impact that (deliberately or inadvertently) "encouraging" suicide has (or even just coverage)...but I also don't like the idea of being against discussing and exploring ideas. The solution is to DISCUSS what to do, not just pretend we're all fully informed individualists.
- malvosenior 8y ago
  I mostly agree with this. Like I said, I think it's ok to criticize and talk about it. My point is that no artist is under any obligation to bend to the will of critics.

DanBC 8y ago

This isn't people being offended by content. This is a show that causes harm. The scientific consensus is that this show has harmed people.

malvosenior 8y ago
I didn't say it was about people being offended. My point is that we shouldn't expect art to be bland and harmless. Some art will cause harm (just like tons of things in our society do: alcohol, gambling...). We collectively need to toughen up, accept that not everything is safe and enjoy the multitude of choices we have in how we live our lives.
- DanBC 8y ago
  > alcohol, gambling Both of these are strictly regulated, right? I don't think you're suggesting that media companies should be similarly regulated, but I don't know why you'd mention them. >We collectively need to toughen up Unfortunate phrasing in the context of vulnerable children killing themselves.

ergothus 8y ago

You're skipping the concept of communal concepts though. I have the message I get from my parents, the message I get from "everyone else" (which is really several messages from various groups), and the message I determine for myself. That latter is heavily influenced by what the other messages say. (See the other current HN article about student drinking being decided by how much they think others are drinking). To simply say "Choose for yourself and your children, I'll do the same, and we shouldn't talk about it" is a de facto declaration that society as a whole approves of the behavior/activity. On this particular issue I honestly have no idea where I stand...I know of and believe the impact that (deliberately or inadvertently) "encouraging" suicide has (or even just coverage)...but I also don't like the idea of being against discussing and exploring ideas. The solution is to DISCUSS what to do, not just pretend we're all fully informed individualists.

malvosenior 8y ago
I mostly agree with this. Like I said, I think it's ok to criticize and talk about it. My point is that no artist is under any obligation to bend to the will of critics.