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I personally don't think it's likely that any show can be solely responsible for suicides. What seems much more realistic is that the show speaks to a real depr

I personally don't think it's likely that any show can be solely responsible for suicides. What seems much more realistic is that the show speaks to a real depression in youth and unfortunately this may have led to "premature" suicide in some (by premature here, I mean that the show may have resulted in a more timely suicide by those who were already suicidal). It's unfortunate that the show itself is being attacked, rather than this being an opportunity to investigate the root cause. Do you really think a perfectly healthy and happy individual could watch _any_ show and want to kill themselves thereafter? Of course not.

DanBC 7y ago
There's a difference between someone who has suicidal ideation and someone who takes suicidal action, and all the research we have tells us that shows like 13 reasons tip can tip people from the first group into the second group, and that they would not have attempted suicide without the programme. This is not a controversial viewpoint in suicide research.
- _carl_jung 7y ago
  Ah, point taken. Perhaps this can be offset by aiming a lot of the profits towards mental health charities.
dahdum 7y ago
It doesn't have to be solely responsible to be reprehensible. Contributing to teen suicide by glamorizing it on television is like glamorizing terrorists (Rolling Stone - Tsarnaev) or school shooters in my mind.
- _carl_jung 7y ago
  Thinking about this a bit more, I can definitely see how it's immoral to put out suggestive pieces of art.
ip26 7y ago
Nobody thinks the show provokes something in ordinary kids who are perfectly healthy & happy. The concern is specifically about giving a nudge to a kid who is on the precipice. When the show debuted, the National Association of School Psychologists issued a warning statement: "We do not recommend that vulnerable youth, especially those who have any degree of suicidal ideation, watch this series." -- TFA
- _carl_jung 7y ago
  Good point.

DanBC 7y ago

There's a difference between someone who has suicidal ideation and someone who takes suicidal action, and all the research we have tells us that shows like 13 reasons tip can tip people from the first group into the second group, and that they would not have attempted suicide without the programme. This is not a controversial viewpoint in suicide research.

_carl_jung 7y ago
Ah, point taken. Perhaps this can be offset by aiming a lot of the profits towards mental health charities.

dahdum 7y ago

It doesn't have to be solely responsible to be reprehensible. Contributing to teen suicide by glamorizing it on television is like glamorizing terrorists (Rolling Stone - Tsarnaev) or school shooters in my mind.

_carl_jung 7y ago
Thinking about this a bit more, I can definitely see how it's immoral to put out suggestive pieces of art.

ip26 7y ago

Nobody thinks the show provokes something in ordinary kids who are perfectly healthy & happy. The concern is specifically about giving a nudge to a kid who is on the precipice. When the show debuted, the National Association of School Psychologists issued a warning statement: "We do not recommend that vulnerable youth, especially those who have any degree of suicidal ideation, watch this series." -- TFA

_carl_jung 7y ago
Good point.