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The only way to get hired at competitive companies is via referral - if you live in the Bay Area you probably know someone or know someone who knows someone at

The only way to get hired at competitive companies is via referral - if you live in the Bay Area you probably know someone or know someone who knows someone at Netflix. Trying any other way is a lottery - and if you didn’t go to MIT/Stanford/CalTech/Harvard then your odds are pretty bad. The other way is already working at a famous company and having another famous company send you a recruitment email via linked in, but that typically requires you to have done the referral way first.

wutbrodo 8y ago
> The other way is already working at a famous company and having another famous company send you a recruitment email via linked in, but that typically requires you to have done the referral way first. Just as a single data point, the last clause here isn't true in my experience. I worked at Google for a few years some years ago, and I get a regular flow of recruiter spam from all the big companies for Bay Area roles, and have never had any friction turning them into interviews.
- fossuser 8y ago
  Yeah, but you had to work at google first. I wasn’t clear, but I meant in order to already be working at a famous company you probably already had to figure out the referral piece at least once.
  - wutbrodo 8y ago
    Ah I see, I misunderstood the final clause as stating that you need a referral _as_ an ex-Googler etc. Thanks for clarifying!
mixmastamyk 8y ago
You're right of course. Unfortunately Netflix is newish to the content business and all my contacts are at more mature companies.
- fossuser 8y ago
  Yeah that’s tough, you might have better luck cold emailing their recruiters directly with questions about roles.
wesleytodd 8y ago
I was not hired via referral. They reached out because they were using a node module I had written. Not sure how common that is, but tbh I think any general characterization of the hiring practices of such a large org is bound to be wrong in many ways.
- mixmastamyk 8y ago
  It was more a comment on the lack of feedback rather than hiring practices, which as mentioned I have no exposure to.
- fossuser 8y ago
  That’s great, I’d put that in the lottery category. I was also not hired by referral, but got lucky they liked my resume in some resume book at RPI. For the places I applied online my interview response rate from companies was poor (or an instant rejection).
airstrike 8y ago
Thanks for saying this. This is so clearly observable that I'm surprised people still don't realize that's simply The Way the World Works
- fossuser 8y ago
  I should probably clarify that it's actually the main way to get an interview (not hired) - you still have to pass whatever the interview tests are and a referral doesn't really help you there. It's one of the main benefits of living in the bay area, you build out a network of friends working at different companies which adds a layer of job security and ability to interview more easily at interesting places.
ohithereyou 8y ago
The FAANGs support diversity. You can go to any of MIT, Stanford, CalTech, or Harvard.
- fossuser 8y ago
  I know this was just an off the cuff response, but it's a little more nuanced than that. They don't really care where you went or even if you have a degree, but there are so many people applying through the front door that that ends up being a filter everyone uses. There are obviously excellent people outside of that, but it's harder to find them through the noise. This is another reason I think Lamda School is great - they're actually attacking this problem too: http://zalberico.com/essay/2019/04/08/lambda-school.html http://zalberico.com/essay/2019/04/08/lambda-school.html
  - ohithereyou 8y ago
    It's partially an off the cuff response, but like all good off the cuff responses, it's meant to cause the reader to think a little bit deeper about the message. I'm glad that you didn't find it beneath you to respond to it as it was not intended to be dismissive of response, nor was it thoughtless. Many of the FAANGs have pushed for diversity in hiring. I don't have a problem with that. I think an ideal workplace would hire people regardless of their circumstances of birth and lived experience as long as they are qualified to do the job and they, in fact, do a good job there. That's actually the crux of my problem. When companies have pushed to remove names, genders, and races from resumes before the hiring process because they find that people are treated differently in hiring due to unconscious bias in that process then it smacks of hypocrisy to then blanket filter incoming resumes unless you went to a short list of approved schools or have a buddy on the inside juicing your chances. That sounds like the complete opposite of trying to be diverse in recruitment. I don't think that Lambda School is that great of a response to this - it just adds one more "acceptable" school to the list. In fact, to a cynic, it sounds like virtue signalling of the highest order to please both Wall Street and the public.
    - fossuser 8y ago

wutbrodo 8y ago

> The other way is already working at a famous company and having another famous company send you a recruitment email via linked in, but that typically requires you to have done the referral way first. Just as a single data point, the last clause here isn't true in my experience. I worked at Google for a few years some years ago, and I get a regular flow of recruiter spam from all the big companies for Bay Area roles, and have never had any friction turning them into interviews.

fossuser 8y ago
Yeah, but you had to work at google first. I wasn’t clear, but I meant in order to already be working at a famous company you probably already had to figure out the referral piece at least once.
- wutbrodo 8y ago
  Ah I see, I misunderstood the final clause as stating that you need a referral _as_ an ex-Googler etc. Thanks for clarifying!

mixmastamyk 8y ago

You're right of course. Unfortunately Netflix is newish to the content business and all my contacts are at more mature companies.

fossuser 8y ago
Yeah that’s tough, you might have better luck cold emailing their recruiters directly with questions about roles.

wesleytodd 8y ago

I was not hired via referral. They reached out because they were using a node module I had written. Not sure how common that is, but tbh I think any general characterization of the hiring practices of such a large org is bound to be wrong in many ways.

mixmastamyk 8y ago
It was more a comment on the lack of feedback rather than hiring practices, which as mentioned I have no exposure to.
fossuser 8y ago
That’s great, I’d put that in the lottery category. I was also not hired by referral, but got lucky they liked my resume in some resume book at RPI. For the places I applied online my interview response rate from companies was poor (or an instant rejection).

airstrike 8y ago

Thanks for saying this. This is so clearly observable that I'm surprised people still don't realize that's simply The Way the World Works

fossuser 8y ago
I should probably clarify that it's actually the main way to get an interview (not hired) - you still have to pass whatever the interview tests are and a referral doesn't really help you there. It's one of the main benefits of living in the bay area, you build out a network of friends working at different companies which adds a layer of job security and ability to interview more easily at interesting places.

ohithereyou 8y ago

The FAANGs support diversity. You can go to any of MIT, Stanford, CalTech, or Harvard.

fossuser 8y ago
I know this was just an off the cuff response, but it's a little more nuanced than that. They don't really care where you went or even if you have a degree, but there are so many people applying through the front door that that ends up being a filter everyone uses. There are obviously excellent people outside of that, but it's harder to find them through the noise. This is another reason I think Lamda School is great - they're actually attacking this problem too: http://zalberico.com/essay/2019/04/08/lambda-school.html http://zalberico.com/essay/2019/04/08/lambda-school.html
- ohithereyou 8y ago
  It's partially an off the cuff response, but like all good off the cuff responses, it's meant to cause the reader to think a little bit deeper about the message. I'm glad that you didn't find it beneath you to respond to it as it was not intended to be dismissive of response, nor was it thoughtless. Many of the FAANGs have pushed for diversity in hiring. I don't have a problem with that. I think an ideal workplace would hire people regardless of their circumstances of birth and lived experience as long as they are qualified to do the job and they, in fact, do a good job there. That's actually the crux of my problem. When companies have pushed to remove names, genders, and races from resumes before the hiring process because they find that people are treated differently in hiring due to unconscious bias in that process then it smacks of hypocrisy to then blanket filter incoming resumes unless you went to a short list of approved schools or have a buddy on the inside juicing your chances. That sounds like the complete opposite of trying to be diverse in recruitment. I don't think that Lambda School is that great of a response to this - it just adds one more "acceptable" school to the list. In fact, to a cynic, it sounds like virtue signalling of the highest order to please both Wall Street and the public.
  - fossuser 8y ago