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Foreign telecoms make good money looking the other way on spam. They mix in enough legitimate users that the rest of the world can't just block them without, e.

Foreign telecoms make good money looking the other way on spam. They mix in enough legitimate users that the rest of the world can't just block them without, e.g., also blocking the entire Indian subcontinent. We may get there. It'll probably take the form of deploying STIR/SHAKEN on the US side and making engagement with anyone who doesn't implement it purely opt-in.

JudgeWapner 8y ago
I hope telecoms die a slow death like cable (TV) companies. with 5G coming soon, plus this robo-call epidemic of late, maybe that will push a critical mass of people to VOIP and leave this sorry industry (with their silly litany of technical-sounding acronyms) in the dust. I'm not a facebook fan, but I wouldn't be entirely against "Facebook Phone" (as in, a drop-in replacement for dialing numbers now that works as an appliance, not a shitty "add-on" for fb messenger) if they moved in to disrupt the industry. Of course privacy-be-damned at that point, but it's the lesser of two evils IMO.
- Spooky23 8y ago
  Be careful what you wish for. Telecom companies have more power than ever and are way more evil than cable tv people.
- lemcoe9 8y ago
  > maybe that will push a critical mass of people to VOIP and leave this sorry industry You realize that the vast majority of "robo-calls" are originated from Class 2 Interconnectwd VoIP providers, aka SIP companies like Twilio, Flowroute, SIPSTATION, SIP.US, voip.ms, and the like. VoIP is the problem, because you can put an extraordinary amount of of volume down a very narrow pipe, with almost zero verification or validation on the technical if you are an active customer with a SIP provider. Becoming an active customer is not very difficult, either.
  - JudgeWapner 8y ago
    true, VoIP allowed this mess to happen, but only because it's one-sided, VoIP vs POTS. My POTS-side doesn't allow me to configure anything. Give the receivers full software control and they could block specifc or all Class 2 providers. "Old people" could set up their system to only accept calls from POTS lines, "hackers" could route "robo-callers" to "robo-answerers" that feigned voice responses like real people, etc. I suggested FB only because it has fairly strong identity verification and (arguably) spam control. Plus they have the infrastructure to handle the bandwidth of a massive VoIP network.

JudgeWapner 8y ago

I hope telecoms die a slow death like cable (TV) companies. with 5G coming soon, plus this robo-call epidemic of late, maybe that will push a critical mass of people to VOIP and leave this sorry industry (with their silly litany of technical-sounding acronyms) in the dust. I'm not a facebook fan, but I wouldn't be entirely against "Facebook Phone" (as in, a drop-in replacement for dialing numbers now that works as an appliance, not a shitty "add-on" for fb messenger) if they moved in to disrupt the industry. Of course privacy-be-damned at that point, but it's the lesser of two evils IMO.

Spooky23 8y ago
Be careful what you wish for. Telecom companies have more power than ever and are way more evil than cable tv people.
lemcoe9 8y ago
> maybe that will push a critical mass of people to VOIP and leave this sorry industry You realize that the vast majority of "robo-calls" are originated from Class 2 Interconnectwd VoIP providers, aka SIP companies like Twilio, Flowroute, SIPSTATION, SIP.US, voip.ms, and the like. VoIP is the problem, because you can put an extraordinary amount of of volume down a very narrow pipe, with almost zero verification or validation on the technical if you are an active customer with a SIP provider. Becoming an active customer is not very difficult, either.
- JudgeWapner 8y ago
  true, VoIP allowed this mess to happen, but only because it's one-sided, VoIP vs POTS. My POTS-side doesn't allow me to configure anything. Give the receivers full software control and they could block specifc or all Class 2 providers. "Old people" could set up their system to only accept calls from POTS lines, "hackers" could route "robo-callers" to "robo-answerers" that feigned voice responses like real people, etc. I suggested FB only because it has fairly strong identity verification and (arguably) spam control. Plus they have the infrastructure to handle the bandwidth of a massive VoIP network.