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Fedora 30

185 points by paride5745 7y ago

sara12318 7y ago
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webaholic 7y ago
This is good distro for developers by developers. I wouldn't suggest it for everyday users though. There are too many beta quality bugs since it uses really bleeding edge releases.
- soulofmischief 7y ago
  If the 6-month release cycle is too frequent for you as a desktop user, consider using RHEL/Centos. In general Red Hat's distros are top-notch and easier to reason about than other distros.
  - Longhanks 7y ago
    What? The software in CentOS' official repositories is horribly outdated (aka 'stable', which is why it runs on many servers). Why should a desktop system run CentOS? I'd rather recommend Ubuntu or one of its descendants. They also have LTS versions, if stability is a concern, but are not as outdated as CentOS.
    - soulofmischief 7y ago
      Fedora is too cutting edge and CentOS is too outdated? Ok then, go off to Canonical land where everything falls apart outside the most common use cases and your entire desktop experience changes every couple of years. Fedora isn't cutting edge compared to actual rolling release distros so if that's still too much for you then RHEL or CentOS should be enough.
      - 0815test 7y ago
        Debian works just fine, IME - better than Ubuntu LTS provided that the hardware support is OK. Even OpenSuse is a nice middle ground.
        soulofmischief 7y ago
        Debian was nothing but trouble for me. I found myself in opposition to too many of their design choices and some packages to be too outdated. At the end of the day it lacks the polish and moddability I've come to expect from Fedora.
    - stevbov 7y ago
      I've put certain family members on CentOS. It kinda depends upon what you're doing with your computer. E.g. if I weren't into gaming I would be using CentOS over Fedora (or Ubuntu).
    - v_lisivka 7y ago
      CentOS 8 is not fresh enough for you?
      - Avshalom 7y ago
        Does it exist yet?
        thg 7y ago
        No. But at least RHEL 8 (based on Fedora 28) has been available as a beta release for a while now (since 25th November 2018), so it shouldn't be too long.. I'd speculate another 4-6 months and we'll have it.
- imbiased 7y ago
  What release version was that? I started experiencing issues in 29, but has been rock solid otherwise.
- tpush 7y ago
  What beta quality bugs?
  - opencl 7y ago
    F29 included bugs such as: -Cron jobs don't run -Package manager creates multi-gigabyte log files -Package manager crashes on systems upgraded from previous releases -GNOME crashes when switching to a virtual terminal and back -Default bluetooth config doesn't work for some devices -Ethernet runs at 10mbps instead of 1gbps https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F29_bugs https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F29_bugs
    - pizza234 7y ago
      > -Default bluetooth config doesn't work for some devices Bluetooth (Bluez) is a trainwreck on any distro; even the version shipped with Ubuntu 18.04 (LTS!) is broken.
      - dullgiulio 7y ago
        Not my experience. Or, if anything, bluetooth on Ubuntu works much better than on my Windows laptop (Lenovo).
        pizza234 7y ago
        Certainly YMMV applies, however, it's important to distinguish the nature of the two cases. Broken BT support in a Windows context generally means poor drivers for a given device - at least the Windows 10, which is almost 4 years old, has a stable BT stack. Therefore, BT problems are of particular (per-device) nature. In Ubuntu, the problem is systemic, due to (even ignoring how terrible the BT protocol is) both Bluez's (alleged) terrible engineering practices, and Ubuntu's utter carelessness of the area. In this terms, BT problems are of universal nature. For example, the 18.04 Pulseaudio/BT configuration is broken by default - see https://askubuntu.com/a/1050172 https://askubuntu.com/a/1050172. This is not an exception; the Pulseaudio/BT configuration has been broken in a way or another since... forever. Very evidently, the Ubuntu devs prefer to ship a broken-but-up-to-date BT stack, than a working-but-old one. For a more historical perspective of the Ubuntu/Bluez trainwreck, see http://www.bennybottema.com/2010/08/08/how-ubuntus-broken-bluetooth-support-came-to-be http://www.bennybottema.com/2010/08/08/how-ubuntus-broken-bl.... Summary: "Bluez is a bunch of cowboy coders is why".
- lucas_membrane 7y ago
  I agree, but if you want to develop .Net or Swift, the available rpm's seem to originate downstream and lag the releases for ubuntu significantly. The releases of .Net core, the Swift toolchain, and Kitura, the IBM open source Swift web framework (even though IBM owns Red Hat), all come out targeting ubuntu. Because the different linux distros have significantly older or newer versions of some .so and .h files, releasing for all the major flavors is harder than it should be, and ubuntu seems to come first.
  - vetinari 7y ago
    Swift is a PITA on Linux in general; the Ubuntu-only releases is only a symptom. It is a pain to build it at all, from the sources. With the exception of the apple/swift repo, all the other apple/swift-* repos do not even seem to have tagged releases. At least not in the sense that other projects do releases.
pojntfx 7y ago
Love this, switched today! Definitely the most easy to use distro out there and, especially in the case of Silverblue, the most modern by far (containers only!).
- tapoxi 7y ago
  Silverblue is pretty incredible, but after a month of using it (Fedora 29) I did hit the occasional RPM I couldn't install because OSTree didn't support layering packages to that directory. It's also weird about third-party repos. I also wish more software was available as a Flatpak - unfortunately Ubuntu's mindshare means more developers are aware of the proprietary Snap format. I'm super excited about it though and will keep using it every month, it finally solves the dependency problem most distributions run into.
  - padraic7a 7y ago
    Not to trn this thread into an argument about formats but snap isn't a proprietary format at all. It's a squashfs file with some metadata. ]and congratulations to Fedora!]
    - tapoxi 7y ago
      My problem with it is that there's no concept of a Snap repository, like Flatpak. Snap is intrinsically tied to Canonical's Snap store.
      - paulcarroty 7y ago
        Be quite, Snap is vendor-locked.
      - simion314 7y ago
        The fact that the Canonical store is hard-coded n the source code of the package manager does not make it proprietary, I suggest you use the actual facts and not FUD, proprietary has a clear meaning so let's not make it vague,
Emily2636 7y ago
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Sir_Cmpwn 7y ago
The Fedora 30 image has been available on builds.sr.ht for CI for several weeks now :) you can use it as fedora/latest and fedora/30. https://man.sr.ht/builds.sr.ht/compatibility.md#fedora https://man.sr.ht/builds.sr.ht/compatibility.md#fedora
- yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
  ... I'm in love. When did sr.ht get this good?
  - Sir_Cmpwn 7y ago
    It always has been ;)
ilovecaching 7y ago
Too bad they didn't get Sway 1.0 package in time for Fedora 30. That's the issue with non rolling releases, you miss the train and now we have to wait months. I also tried out Silverblue, but it was super unpolished, not a lot of documentation, and there's rpms I couldn't get installed that I needed for work. Fedora is still my favorite Linux distro for just getting things done. Red Hat is a focal point for kernel and systems developers so you know you're getting no frills quality.
- eclipseo76 7y ago
  It can still be included via Updates.
- fnux 7y ago
  You can use the following COPR repository from the Sway SIG in the meantime: https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/g/sway-sig/sway-desktop/ https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/g/sway-sig/sway-desk...
- dralley 7y ago
  >Too bad they didn't get Sway 1.0 package in time for Fedora 30. That's the issue with non rolling releases, you miss the train and now we have to wait months. Fedora has a pretty loose upgrade policy with non-critical packages. It may well get updated, and if not, they may provide it via modularity. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1672268#c14 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1672268#c14
na85 7y ago
Has Fedora got sane upgrade paths yet? Last time I used it was Fedora 14, and the recommended way to upgrade was a wipe/reinstall from scratch. There was no supported upgrade-in-place path.
- meddlepal 7y ago
  I still do the wipe and reinstall out of legacy fear, but my coworker has been doing the upgrades since F26 and says they have worked flawlessly... Big caveat: He doesn't use binary Nvidia drivers (integrated GPU on his laptop). It seems upgrades always seem to snag on Nvidia drivers from my experience.
  - v_lisivka 7y ago
    I have binary NVidia drivers. I have no problem with upgrades for last few releases at least (since akmod invented). Sometimes, I need to switch from supported release to legacy release of drivers or switch back, because of NVidia politics to remove old drives from binary.
- bwat49 7y ago
  I'm not a fedora user myself, but I believe that there is a direct upgrade path (and has been for a while now).
- ksplice 7y ago
  It has, a long time ago. I have been using Fedora since (I believe) version 23, now on 29. The system is heavily customized (with a lot of the relatively core stuff (like firewalld) ripped out), and I haven't had a single problem with the upgrades.
  - tokai 7y ago
    My experience have been similar. 24 to 30 beta on my desktop without a single issue.
- v_lisivka 7y ago
  Yep. Even simple `dnf upgrade -y && dnf updrade --releasever=30 -y` should work, because difference between releases is small enough. (No groundbreaking changes). I did upgrade from Fedora 26 to Fedora 28 using simple upgrade. Recommended command for system upgrade is `sudo dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=30` then `sudo dnf system-upgrade reboot` .
cozzyd 7y ago
Cool, I guess I'll upgrade from 29 in a month or so once other people have figured out any potential upgrade issues :)
twa927 7y ago
Can someone say if the font rendering is improved compared to previous releases? This might sound like nitpicking but it's the thing that kept me from switching from Ubuntu, which generally has superb font rendering.
- muterad_murilax 7y ago
  We would have known if they didn't hate screenshots.
- bluedino 7y ago
  It's the same, and it won't change due to licensing. You can change it on your own, however. https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/8bh7av/quick_font_rendering_fix/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/8bh7av/quick_font_r...
  - bubblethink 7y ago
    Didn't the MS patent PR puff piece solve shit like this ?
- old-gregg 7y ago
  It's not nitpicking at all. Readability of text is hugely important, especially if your job is to read text on computer monitors all day. Also, I saw this in the news a while ago: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-ClearType-Subpixel-Font https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-C... ... so it looks like it's enabled, but not configured? If Fedora's freetype contains all the patches, perhaps the Reddit thread above is obsolete now?
  - twa927 7y ago
    > Also, I saw this in the news a while ago: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-C.. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-C.... Hmm, that's interesting, so this is the same ClearType algorithm as the one currently used in Windows 10? I actually hope Linux distros won't switch to Windows-like antialiasing, I definitely prefer Ubuntu's antialiasing (Windows' fonts are too thin an pixelated for me).
bluedino 7y ago
I've been using F30 through the beta, it's been great (I've been away from Fedora since 21? or so) Using both the default and KDE spin in VM's and on Lenovo laptops. Ubuntu is much more 'polished' in feel and appearance, but (especially the KDE spin) Fedora feels so much faster or maybe just smoother.
sandGorgon 7y ago
Fedora and the Dell XPS laptop are the current best of breed developer machines. Top notch keyboards, brilliant OS and a futuristic architecture (Silverblue - all containers all the way down). My compan has a couple hundred cheap AMD ryzen laptops with Fedora giving macbook pros a run for their money! I spend about 500$ on them (which includes a SSD). Its the world class desktop OS for the developing world!
- grandinj 7y ago
  Which laptops?
- harrygeez 7y ago
  I'd love to share your enthusiasm but until we get macOS-level consistent touchpad gestures, rock-solid stability, instant wake from suspend without draining battery consistently, great GPU drivers, ...(I can go on), it is difficult to proclaim that. I love developing on Linux too, and I really want it to be the best, but it's just not there yet.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
    Mac OS supports exactly one line of hardware. So let's pick exactly one line of Hardware to run Linux so it's a fair comparison. I nominate either thinkpads or Dell XPS. Now then, in a fair comparison... > consistent touchpad gestures, GNOME has this. > rock-solid stability, Yep. > instant wake from suspend without draining battery consistently, Has that even been a problem this decade? > great GPU drivers I defy you to claim that great GPU drivers exist on any operating system, but as long as you're not using Nvidia Linux is perfectly good.
    - smallstepforman 7y ago
      NVidia Linux is a battery destroying monstrosity. My laptop fans go crazy with nVidia driver, making the laptop unusable. Using no driver gives a pleasant audiable experience (no HW acceleration). Heck, even Haiku with raw framebuffer driver runs more pleasantly than Linux with nVidia driver.
_zachs 7y ago
Thoughts on Fedora vs Arch? I've been using Arch on my Thinkpad for a while now, no major complaints, but forgetting to mount my boot before a `sudo pacman -Syu` (full system upgrade) always gets me. P.S. I know that this is a non-issue...a simple alias would prevent future woes.
- 1337shadow 7y ago
  Why not automount /boot ? The default linux kernel package in Arch exposes /proc/config.gz so I'm curious why would one not make /boot automount.
- yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
  > Thoughts on Fedora vs Arch? Both perfectly good systems. Both are reasonably up-to-date though Arch is more cutting edge, and Fedora has releases rather than rolling release. Fedora has a real company backing it at some level. Arch probably has the greatest package availability of any operating system (at all, if we allow the AUR). > but forgetting to mount my boot ...so stick it in fstab? Using -o bind if need be.
- 0815test 7y ago
  Arch is not quite a real-world-usable system IMHO, it breaks way too easily if you're not constantly updating it, which means that at some point you'll have to reinstall from scratch. Debian Testing/Unstable just tends to work better (for a rolling distro) in my view. The Arch vs. Fedora comparison is not very sensible given how different the update models are... if you're ok with Fedora's update schedule it can be a fine choice.
  - dpwm 7y ago
    > it breaks way too easily if you're not constantly updating it I sometimes go as long as a few months between updates on my desktop – and that's been running Arch for some years now and hasn't needed a reinstall from scratch.
- chousuke 7y ago
  I switched my desktop to Arch recently. It's decent, but I'd really only recommend it for people who want a minimal system that works just the way they want it to work, and won't mind spending time on it. There are a lot of components that have to work together for a Linux desktop to provide the features most people take for granted nowadays. If you don't want to bother with tinkering, Fedora provides one such configuration that generally works out of the box. Arch provides you with pacman and a really good wiki.
eu 7y ago
I guest it’s time to upgrade to Fedora 29 now.. :)
- yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
  I get why you're getting downvoted, but staying one release behind a certainly a way to avoid bugs, and if you're on 28 then this is definitely a good reason to bump up to 29.
lprd 7y ago
I'm on a Macbook Pro and would love to try this out. Aside from installing on bare metal, would VirtualBox be the second best option?
- vetinari 7y ago
  Second best would be probably running from USB drive. Virtualbox doesn't support Wayland, and overall is quite slow.
- bubblethink 7y ago
  Virtualbox is your only option. You will not get (good) bare metal options at all with apple hardware made in the last few years.
reacharavindh 7y ago
https://github.com/silenc3r/fedora-better-fonts https://github.com/silenc3r/fedora-better-fonts
- clircle 7y ago
  Can someone comment on how these compare to Ubuntu fonts?
jazoom 7y ago
I first tried out Fedora a few weeks ago. It was a terrible first impression because there were banner ads in the installer. They were relevant to Fedora, but still, they were banner ads sticking out like a sore thumb. I've never seen anything like that when installing a Linux distro before and it was a major turn off. Yes, I got it from the official website. Yes, I checked the hash. The impression probably would have been a lot different if the messages were delivered in a format that didn't look exactly like banner ads on the WWW.
- m4rtink 7y ago
  The banner ads will likely not be in the new release, but for a different reason. The top-level screen where they are shown no longer hosts any configuration screens during default (Fedora Workstation) live installation and only two screens on network installation, which will also be soon moved to the previous "summary" top-level screen. Due to this the "adds" might look out of place as the rest of the screen is empty. At the moment it is unclear if they will be replaced by some new bigger artwork or just by a bigger and more fancy installation progress reporting.
  - y4mi 7y ago
    Uh, I only remember some highlights for some of the bundled software... Something like "if you need a office suite, libre office is available in the store" ... Are you seriously complaining about that? Or is it something else I just didn't see yet? Because if it's the former, I sure hope you're not using MacOS, Ubuntu, centos, opensuse or windows either to name a few. They do the same thing after all.
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185 points by paride5745 7y ago

World's biggest cat Even you can't believe it's size See her video https://howto105.blogspot.com/2019/04/worlds-biggest-cat.html https://howto105.blogspot.com/2019/04/worlds-biggest-cat.htm... See the video a dog shopping and lots of other acts like humans http://bit.ly/2DCpo9I http://bit.ly/2DCpo9I Fish walking with legs like humans See the video on link below http://bit.ly/2XRGyYD http://bit.ly/2XRGyYD This couple is different Girls are both twins and boys are also twin brothers see how they look in video http://bit.ly/2VwoZQd http://bit.ly/2VwoZQd A cute dog is dancing in video Just watch this video and try to control your laugh http://bit.ly/2ZK1XVs http://bit.ly/2ZK1XVs

webaholic 7y ago

This is good distro for developers by developers. I wouldn't suggest it for everyday users though. There are too many beta quality bugs since it uses really bleeding edge releases.

soulofmischief 7y ago
If the 6-month release cycle is too frequent for you as a desktop user, consider using RHEL/Centos. In general Red Hat's distros are top-notch and easier to reason about than other distros.
- Longhanks 7y ago
  What? The software in CentOS' official repositories is horribly outdated (aka 'stable', which is why it runs on many servers). Why should a desktop system run CentOS? I'd rather recommend Ubuntu or one of its descendants. They also have LTS versions, if stability is a concern, but are not as outdated as CentOS.
  - soulofmischief 7y ago
    Fedora is too cutting edge and CentOS is too outdated? Ok then, go off to Canonical land where everything falls apart outside the most common use cases and your entire desktop experience changes every couple of years. Fedora isn't cutting edge compared to actual rolling release distros so if that's still too much for you then RHEL or CentOS should be enough.
    - 0815test 7y ago
      Debian works just fine, IME - better than Ubuntu LTS provided that the hardware support is OK. Even OpenSuse is a nice middle ground.
      - soulofmischief 7y ago
        Debian was nothing but trouble for me. I found myself in opposition to too many of their design choices and some packages to be too outdated. At the end of the day it lacks the polish and moddability I've come to expect from Fedora.
  - stevbov 7y ago
    I've put certain family members on CentOS. It kinda depends upon what you're doing with your computer. E.g. if I weren't into gaming I would be using CentOS over Fedora (or Ubuntu).
  - v_lisivka 7y ago
    CentOS 8 is not fresh enough for you?
    - Avshalom 7y ago
      Does it exist yet?
      - thg 7y ago
        No. But at least RHEL 8 (based on Fedora 28) has been available as a beta release for a while now (since 25th November 2018), so it shouldn't be too long.. I'd speculate another 4-6 months and we'll have it.
imbiased 7y ago
What release version was that? I started experiencing issues in 29, but has been rock solid otherwise.
tpush 7y ago
What beta quality bugs?
- opencl 7y ago
  F29 included bugs such as: -Cron jobs don't run -Package manager creates multi-gigabyte log files -Package manager crashes on systems upgraded from previous releases -GNOME crashes when switching to a virtual terminal and back -Default bluetooth config doesn't work for some devices -Ethernet runs at 10mbps instead of 1gbps https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F29_bugs https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F29_bugs
  - pizza234 7y ago
    > -Default bluetooth config doesn't work for some devices Bluetooth (Bluez) is a trainwreck on any distro; even the version shipped with Ubuntu 18.04 (LTS!) is broken.
    - dullgiulio 7y ago
      Not my experience. Or, if anything, bluetooth on Ubuntu works much better than on my Windows laptop (Lenovo).
      - pizza234 7y ago
        Certainly YMMV applies, however, it's important to distinguish the nature of the two cases. Broken BT support in a Windows context generally means poor drivers for a given device - at least the Windows 10, which is almost 4 years old, has a stable BT stack. Therefore, BT problems are of particular (per-device) nature. In Ubuntu, the problem is systemic, due to (even ignoring how terrible the BT protocol is) both Bluez's (alleged) terrible engineering practices, and Ubuntu's utter carelessness of the area. In this terms, BT problems are of universal nature. For example, the 18.04 Pulseaudio/BT configuration is broken by default - see https://askubuntu.com/a/1050172 https://askubuntu.com/a/1050172. This is not an exception; the Pulseaudio/BT configuration has been broken in a way or another since... forever. Very evidently, the Ubuntu devs prefer to ship a broken-but-up-to-date BT stack, than a working-but-old one. For a more historical perspective of the Ubuntu/Bluez trainwreck, see http://www.bennybottema.com/2010/08/08/how-ubuntus-broken-bluetooth-support-came-to-be http://www.bennybottema.com/2010/08/08/how-ubuntus-broken-bl.... Summary: "Bluez is a bunch of cowboy coders is why".
lucas_membrane 7y ago
I agree, but if you want to develop .Net or Swift, the available rpm's seem to originate downstream and lag the releases for ubuntu significantly. The releases of .Net core, the Swift toolchain, and Kitura, the IBM open source Swift web framework (even though IBM owns Red Hat), all come out targeting ubuntu. Because the different linux distros have significantly older or newer versions of some .so and .h files, releasing for all the major flavors is harder than it should be, and ubuntu seems to come first.
- vetinari 7y ago
  Swift is a PITA on Linux in general; the Ubuntu-only releases is only a symptom. It is a pain to build it at all, from the sources. With the exception of the apple/swift repo, all the other apple/swift-* repos do not even seem to have tagged releases. At least not in the sense that other projects do releases.

pojntfx 7y ago

Love this, switched today! Definitely the most easy to use distro out there and, especially in the case of Silverblue, the most modern by far (containers only!).

tapoxi 7y ago
Silverblue is pretty incredible, but after a month of using it (Fedora 29) I did hit the occasional RPM I couldn't install because OSTree didn't support layering packages to that directory. It's also weird about third-party repos. I also wish more software was available as a Flatpak - unfortunately Ubuntu's mindshare means more developers are aware of the proprietary Snap format. I'm super excited about it though and will keep using it every month, it finally solves the dependency problem most distributions run into.
- padraic7a 7y ago
  Not to trn this thread into an argument about formats but snap isn't a proprietary format at all. It's a squashfs file with some metadata. ]and congratulations to Fedora!]
  - tapoxi 7y ago
    My problem with it is that there's no concept of a Snap repository, like Flatpak. Snap is intrinsically tied to Canonical's Snap store.
    - paulcarroty 7y ago
      Be quite, Snap is vendor-locked.
    - simion314 7y ago
      The fact that the Canonical store is hard-coded n the source code of the package manager does not make it proprietary, I suggest you use the actual facts and not FUD, proprietary has a clear meaning so let's not make it vague,

Emily2636 7y ago

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Sir_Cmpwn 7y ago

The Fedora 30 image has been available on builds.sr.ht for CI for several weeks now :) you can use it as fedora/latest and fedora/30. https://man.sr.ht/builds.sr.ht/compatibility.md#fedora https://man.sr.ht/builds.sr.ht/compatibility.md#fedora

yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
... I'm in love. When did sr.ht get this good?
- Sir_Cmpwn 7y ago
  It always has been ;)

ilovecaching 7y ago

Too bad they didn't get Sway 1.0 package in time for Fedora 30. That's the issue with non rolling releases, you miss the train and now we have to wait months. I also tried out Silverblue, but it was super unpolished, not a lot of documentation, and there's rpms I couldn't get installed that I needed for work. Fedora is still my favorite Linux distro for just getting things done. Red Hat is a focal point for kernel and systems developers so you know you're getting no frills quality.

eclipseo76 7y ago
It can still be included via Updates.
fnux 7y ago
You can use the following COPR repository from the Sway SIG in the meantime: https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/g/sway-sig/sway-desktop/ https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/g/sway-sig/sway-desk...
dralley 7y ago
>Too bad they didn't get Sway 1.0 package in time for Fedora 30. That's the issue with non rolling releases, you miss the train and now we have to wait months. Fedora has a pretty loose upgrade policy with non-critical packages. It may well get updated, and if not, they may provide it via modularity. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1672268#c14 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1672268#c14

na85 7y ago

Has Fedora got sane upgrade paths yet? Last time I used it was Fedora 14, and the recommended way to upgrade was a wipe/reinstall from scratch. There was no supported upgrade-in-place path.

meddlepal 7y ago
I still do the wipe and reinstall out of legacy fear, but my coworker has been doing the upgrades since F26 and says they have worked flawlessly... Big caveat: He doesn't use binary Nvidia drivers (integrated GPU on his laptop). It seems upgrades always seem to snag on Nvidia drivers from my experience.
- v_lisivka 7y ago
  I have binary NVidia drivers. I have no problem with upgrades for last few releases at least (since akmod invented). Sometimes, I need to switch from supported release to legacy release of drivers or switch back, because of NVidia politics to remove old drives from binary.
bwat49 7y ago
I'm not a fedora user myself, but I believe that there is a direct upgrade path (and has been for a while now).
ksplice 7y ago
It has, a long time ago. I have been using Fedora since (I believe) version 23, now on 29. The system is heavily customized (with a lot of the relatively core stuff (like firewalld) ripped out), and I haven't had a single problem with the upgrades.
- tokai 7y ago
  My experience have been similar. 24 to 30 beta on my desktop without a single issue.
v_lisivka 7y ago
Yep. Even simple `dnf upgrade -y && dnf updrade --releasever=30 -y` should work, because difference between releases is small enough. (No groundbreaking changes). I did upgrade from Fedora 26 to Fedora 28 using simple upgrade. Recommended command for system upgrade is `sudo dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=30` then `sudo dnf system-upgrade reboot` .

cozzyd 7y ago

Cool, I guess I'll upgrade from 29 in a month or so once other people have figured out any potential upgrade issues :)

twa927 7y ago

Can someone say if the font rendering is improved compared to previous releases? This might sound like nitpicking but it's the thing that kept me from switching from Ubuntu, which generally has superb font rendering.

muterad_murilax 7y ago
We would have known if they didn't hate screenshots.
bluedino 7y ago
It's the same, and it won't change due to licensing. You can change it on your own, however. https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/8bh7av/quick_font_rendering_fix/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/8bh7av/quick_font_r...
- bubblethink 7y ago
  Didn't the MS patent PR puff piece solve shit like this ?
old-gregg 7y ago
It's not nitpicking at all. Readability of text is hugely important, especially if your job is to read text on computer monitors all day. Also, I saw this in the news a while ago: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-ClearType-Subpixel-Font https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-C... ... so it looks like it's enabled, but not configured? If Fedora's freetype contains all the patches, perhaps the Reddit thread above is obsolete now?
- twa927 7y ago
  > Also, I saw this in the news a while ago: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-C.. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-C.... Hmm, that's interesting, so this is the same ClearType algorithm as the one currently used in Windows 10? I actually hope Linux distros won't switch to Windows-like antialiasing, I definitely prefer Ubuntu's antialiasing (Windows' fonts are too thin an pixelated for me).

bluedino 7y ago

I've been using F30 through the beta, it's been great (I've been away from Fedora since 21? or so) Using both the default and KDE spin in VM's and on Lenovo laptops. Ubuntu is much more 'polished' in feel and appearance, but (especially the KDE spin) Fedora feels so much faster or maybe just smoother.

sandGorgon 7y ago

Fedora and the Dell XPS laptop are the current best of breed developer machines. Top notch keyboards, brilliant OS and a futuristic architecture (Silverblue - all containers all the way down). My compan has a couple hundred cheap AMD ryzen laptops with Fedora giving macbook pros a run for their money! I spend about 500$ on them (which includes a SSD). Its the world class desktop OS for the developing world!

grandinj 7y ago
Which laptops?
harrygeez 7y ago
I'd love to share your enthusiasm but until we get macOS-level consistent touchpad gestures, rock-solid stability, instant wake from suspend without draining battery consistently, great GPU drivers, ...(I can go on), it is difficult to proclaim that. I love developing on Linux too, and I really want it to be the best, but it's just not there yet.
- yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
  Mac OS supports exactly one line of hardware. So let's pick exactly one line of Hardware to run Linux so it's a fair comparison. I nominate either thinkpads or Dell XPS. Now then, in a fair comparison... > consistent touchpad gestures, GNOME has this. > rock-solid stability, Yep. > instant wake from suspend without draining battery consistently, Has that even been a problem this decade? > great GPU drivers I defy you to claim that great GPU drivers exist on any operating system, but as long as you're not using Nvidia Linux is perfectly good.
  - smallstepforman 7y ago
    NVidia Linux is a battery destroying monstrosity. My laptop fans go crazy with nVidia driver, making the laptop unusable. Using no driver gives a pleasant audiable experience (no HW acceleration). Heck, even Haiku with raw framebuffer driver runs more pleasantly than Linux with nVidia driver.

_zachs 7y ago

Thoughts on Fedora vs Arch? I've been using Arch on my Thinkpad for a while now, no major complaints, but forgetting to mount my boot before a `sudo pacman -Syu` (full system upgrade) always gets me. P.S. I know that this is a non-issue...a simple alias would prevent future woes.

1337shadow 7y ago
Why not automount /boot ? The default linux kernel package in Arch exposes /proc/config.gz so I'm curious why would one not make /boot automount.
yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
> Thoughts on Fedora vs Arch? Both perfectly good systems. Both are reasonably up-to-date though Arch is more cutting edge, and Fedora has releases rather than rolling release. Fedora has a real company backing it at some level. Arch probably has the greatest package availability of any operating system (at all, if we allow the AUR). > but forgetting to mount my boot ...so stick it in fstab? Using -o bind if need be.
0815test 7y ago
Arch is not quite a real-world-usable system IMHO, it breaks way too easily if you're not constantly updating it, which means that at some point you'll have to reinstall from scratch. Debian Testing/Unstable just tends to work better (for a rolling distro) in my view. The Arch vs. Fedora comparison is not very sensible given how different the update models are... if you're ok with Fedora's update schedule it can be a fine choice.
- dpwm 7y ago
  > it breaks way too easily if you're not constantly updating it I sometimes go as long as a few months between updates on my desktop – and that's been running Arch for some years now and hasn't needed a reinstall from scratch.
chousuke 7y ago
I switched my desktop to Arch recently. It's decent, but I'd really only recommend it for people who want a minimal system that works just the way they want it to work, and won't mind spending time on it. There are a lot of components that have to work together for a Linux desktop to provide the features most people take for granted nowadays. If you don't want to bother with tinkering, Fedora provides one such configuration that generally works out of the box. Arch provides you with pacman and a really good wiki.

eu 7y ago

I guest it’s time to upgrade to Fedora 29 now.. :)

yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
I get why you're getting downvoted, but staying one release behind a certainly a way to avoid bugs, and if you're on 28 then this is definitely a good reason to bump up to 29.

lprd 7y ago

I'm on a Macbook Pro and would love to try this out. Aside from installing on bare metal, would VirtualBox be the second best option?

vetinari 7y ago
Second best would be probably running from USB drive. Virtualbox doesn't support Wayland, and overall is quite slow.
bubblethink 7y ago
Virtualbox is your only option. You will not get (good) bare metal options at all with apple hardware made in the last few years.

reacharavindh 7y ago

https://github.com/silenc3r/fedora-better-fonts https://github.com/silenc3r/fedora-better-fonts

clircle 7y ago
Can someone comment on how these compare to Ubuntu fonts?

jazoom 7y ago

I first tried out Fedora a few weeks ago. It was a terrible first impression because there were banner ads in the installer. They were relevant to Fedora, but still, they were banner ads sticking out like a sore thumb. I've never seen anything like that when installing a Linux distro before and it was a major turn off. Yes, I got it from the official website. Yes, I checked the hash. The impression probably would have been a lot different if the messages were delivered in a format that didn't look exactly like banner ads on the WWW.

m4rtink 7y ago
The banner ads will likely not be in the new release, but for a different reason. The top-level screen where they are shown no longer hosts any configuration screens during default (Fedora Workstation) live installation and only two screens on network installation, which will also be soon moved to the previous "summary" top-level screen. Due to this the "adds" might look out of place as the rest of the screen is empty. At the moment it is unclear if they will be replaced by some new bigger artwork or just by a bigger and more fancy installation progress reporting.
- y4mi 7y ago
  Uh, I only remember some highlights for some of the bundled software... Something like "if you need a office suite, libre office is available in the store" ... Are you seriously complaining about that? Or is it something else I just didn't see yet? Because if it's the former, I sure hope you're not using MacOS, Ubuntu, centos, opensuse or windows either to name a few. They do the same thing after all.

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