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I feel like there's something to think about here since we couldn't even keep the page with this information active for a decade and the goal is to keep the act

I feel like there's something to think about here since we couldn't even keep the page with this information active for a decade and the goal is to keep the actual warning around for 10,000 years.

nixpulvis 7y ago
Or, to realize that we did in fact keep it active, just through archive.org, the modern day Library of Alexandria on steroids. EDIT: Makes things hard if the warning sign was a link however, yes. Could just add a published date then, and I'd assume things would be fine.
- nixpulvis 7y ago
  This is a nice little script. function wayback_link(url) { return `https://web.archive.org/web/${url}`; } console.log(wayback_link("https://github.com"))
  - patrickyeon 7y ago
    I just went to https://web.archive.org/web/news.ycombinator.com https://web.archive.org/web/news.ycombinator.com (no date in the url) and it sent me to the most recent snapshot.
    - nixpulvis 7y ago
      Perfect, of course that's how this should work. Updated :P
  - yellowapple 7y ago
    If you use DuckDuckGo as your default search engine, it's also enough to (in Firefox or Chrome or any other browser where the URL bar functions as a search bar) prepend the URL with "!wayback " (without the quotes, but with the trailing space). You could also do the same with "https://web.archive.org/web/" https://web.archive.org/web/", but "!wayback " is easier for me to remember.
- nixpulvis 7y ago
  All this is irrelevant to the issue of warning aliens about radioactive waste however, since if we could preserve archive.org, I'd assume we could also preserve a database of radioactive waste locations.
- unscaled 7y ago
  Until somebody decides to mess with the robots.txt on that domain and archive.org removes the copy... <sigh>
stevenwoo 7y ago
Finland already created their first long term nuclear waste storage facility. They must have some symbology up - what do they use? https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-07-31/finlands-solution-nuclear-waste-storage-may-set-example-world https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-07-31/finlands-solution-nuc...
- tylerjwilk00 7y ago
  Quote from your article link: “The idea is to more or less forget it. It’s based on passive safety,” he says. “There aren’t any plans to put any kind of warning signs or anything like that. There won’t be anything.” Looks like Finland is taking the complete opposite approach.
  - code_duck 7y ago
    One conclusion in the article is that it is unlikely to cause widespread disaster. >We have all become very marker-prone, but shouldn't we nevertheless admit that, in the end, despite all we try to do, the most effective "marker" for any intruders will be a relatively limited amount of sickness and death caused by the radioactive waste? In other words, it is largely a self-correcting process if anyone intrudes without appropriate precautions, and it seems unlikely that intrusion on such buried waste would lead to large-scale disasters. An analysis of the likely number of deaths over 10,000 years due to inadvertent intrusion should be conducted. This cost should be weighted against that of the marker system.
code_duck 7y ago
I doubt it’s going to be effective to say “Do not destroy this marker” in the Level 3 warning. Everything in isolation gets vandalized.
code_duck 7y ago
That may just illustrate the fragility of electronic publishing compared to gigantic stone markers.

I feel like there's something to think about here since we couldn't even keep the page with this information active for a decade and the goal is to keep the actual warning around for 10,000 years.

nixpulvis 7y ago

Or, to realize that we did in fact keep it active, just through archive.org, the modern day Library of Alexandria on steroids. EDIT: Makes things hard if the warning sign was a link however, yes. Could just add a published date then, and I'd assume things would be fine.

nixpulvis 7y ago
This is a nice little script. function wayback_link(url) { return `https://web.archive.org/web/${url}`; } console.log(wayback_link("https://github.com"))
- patrickyeon 7y ago
  I just went to https://web.archive.org/web/news.ycombinator.com https://web.archive.org/web/news.ycombinator.com (no date in the url) and it sent me to the most recent snapshot.
  - nixpulvis 7y ago
    Perfect, of course that's how this should work. Updated :P
- yellowapple 7y ago
  If you use DuckDuckGo as your default search engine, it's also enough to (in Firefox or Chrome or any other browser where the URL bar functions as a search bar) prepend the URL with "!wayback " (without the quotes, but with the trailing space). You could also do the same with "https://web.archive.org/web/" https://web.archive.org/web/", but "!wayback " is easier for me to remember.
nixpulvis 7y ago
All this is irrelevant to the issue of warning aliens about radioactive waste however, since if we could preserve archive.org, I'd assume we could also preserve a database of radioactive waste locations.
unscaled 7y ago
Until somebody decides to mess with the robots.txt on that domain and archive.org removes the copy... <sigh>

stevenwoo 7y ago

Finland already created their first long term nuclear waste storage facility. They must have some symbology up - what do they use? https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-07-31/finlands-solution-nuclear-waste-storage-may-set-example-world https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-07-31/finlands-solution-nuc...

tylerjwilk00 7y ago
Quote from your article link: “The idea is to more or less forget it. It’s based on passive safety,” he says. “There aren’t any plans to put any kind of warning signs or anything like that. There won’t be anything.” Looks like Finland is taking the complete opposite approach.
- code_duck 7y ago
  One conclusion in the article is that it is unlikely to cause widespread disaster. >We have all become very marker-prone, but shouldn't we nevertheless admit that, in the end, despite all we try to do, the most effective "marker" for any intruders will be a relatively limited amount of sickness and death caused by the radioactive waste? In other words, it is largely a self-correcting process if anyone intrudes without appropriate precautions, and it seems unlikely that intrusion on such buried waste would lead to large-scale disasters. An analysis of the likely number of deaths over 10,000 years due to inadvertent intrusion should be conducted. This cost should be weighted against that of the marker system.

code_duck 7y ago

I doubt it’s going to be effective to say “Do not destroy this marker” in the Level 3 warning. Everything in isolation gets vandalized.

code_duck 7y ago

That may just illustrate the fragility of electronic publishing compared to gigantic stone markers.