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I'm not a vegetarian or a vegan, personally. I'm a hunter, a fisherman, and I buy beef by the half cow from a small ranch. All of that said, if Burger King is s

I'm not a vegetarian or a vegan, personally. I'm a hunter, a fisherman, and I buy beef by the half cow from a small ranch. All of that said, if Burger King is selling some food products and marketing them as vegetarian or vegan, but they are being cooked in animal grease, and surely that is what this means, well, then they're either stupid, they're liars, or they're hopelessly incompetent. And you see this sort of tone deaf nonsense coming out of corporations time and time again.

jimmaswell 8y ago
In the sense that they're not giving these customers what they want, they're being incompetent, but I think it's totally unreasonable in the first place to demand such total separation. Like caring if the same coffee machine was used for non-free-trade coffee grounds before you used it for your own grounds, or that a non-cage-free egg was made on the same grill earlier in the day when you ordered cage-free.
- scruple 8y ago
  > I think it's totally unreasonable in the first place to demand such total separation. Look it, no one is demanding anything. They're mis-representing their product. That's all that I'm saying. The end. Everything else you're saying, your railing against the so-called "vegan moral framework," etc..., is, to me, just you grinding an axe.
- Rooster61 8y ago
  > but I think it's totally unreasonable in the first place to demand such total separation I can't say I agree with this sentiment. This sort of thing happens in other food service outlets and it's never bothered me. The one that comes to mind is grocery stores having separate slicers for meat and dairy to accommodate those who keep kosher. I'm not Jewish, and neither am I a vegetarian, but I wouldn't call those who do keep such lifestyle choices unreasonable. Also, the word demand here commands more than one meaning. If there is demand for such a separation, and money to be made from accommodating that demand, those practices will find their way into the market.
  - jimmaswell 8y ago
    I did say religious concerns and allergies have more merit for full separation than vegan/vegetarian preference to have no animal matter touch the food. My issue is it's a waste of resources to have two grills just for this.
adrianmonk 8y ago
> but they are being cooked in animal grease They are flame broiled, not grilled. They aren't cooked in any type of grease.
- scruple 8y ago
  If I'm working the burger station and I'm cooking an impossible burger at the same station as regular burger patties there will be transfers between one and the other, no? I didn't mean they were _literally_ cooking them in animal grease but rather figuratively.
  - wendyjreichert 8y ago
    If you have a care for the environmental impact, would not having an additional grill be a waste of resources and harmful to the planet?
    - Forbo 8y ago
      It definitely would increase the friction of adoption. The perfect is the enemy of the good and all that....
  - adrianmonk 8y ago
    OK, I can understand that's not the point you were making. I thought you were saying that because at many fast food places they are literally cooking them in animal grease. Many fast food places (McDonald's, Wendy's) use a flat surface similar to this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Flickr_XP-ert_489502412--Cheeseburgers_on_grill.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Flickr_X... Typical ground beef is 20% fat (80% lean), and if you cook it on that, the fat will melt, it will hang around on that surface, and whatever else you cook next will be cooked in animal grease left over from the beef patty. If you flame broil, the burger sits on a wire mesh, and the grease drips away. I'm not just picking nits. I'm really trying to make a sincere point that I think one method will have significantly less transfer (not zero) than the other.

jimmaswell 8y ago

In the sense that they're not giving these customers what they want, they're being incompetent, but I think it's totally unreasonable in the first place to demand such total separation. Like caring if the same coffee machine was used for non-free-trade coffee grounds before you used it for your own grounds, or that a non-cage-free egg was made on the same grill earlier in the day when you ordered cage-free.

scruple 8y ago
> I think it's totally unreasonable in the first place to demand such total separation. Look it, no one is demanding anything. They're mis-representing their product. That's all that I'm saying. The end. Everything else you're saying, your railing against the so-called "vegan moral framework," etc..., is, to me, just you grinding an axe.
Rooster61 8y ago
> but I think it's totally unreasonable in the first place to demand such total separation I can't say I agree with this sentiment. This sort of thing happens in other food service outlets and it's never bothered me. The one that comes to mind is grocery stores having separate slicers for meat and dairy to accommodate those who keep kosher. I'm not Jewish, and neither am I a vegetarian, but I wouldn't call those who do keep such lifestyle choices unreasonable. Also, the word demand here commands more than one meaning. If there is demand for such a separation, and money to be made from accommodating that demand, those practices will find their way into the market.
- jimmaswell 8y ago
  I did say religious concerns and allergies have more merit for full separation than vegan/vegetarian preference to have no animal matter touch the food. My issue is it's a waste of resources to have two grills just for this.

adrianmonk 8y ago

> but they are being cooked in animal grease They are flame broiled, not grilled. They aren't cooked in any type of grease.

scruple 8y ago
If I'm working the burger station and I'm cooking an impossible burger at the same station as regular burger patties there will be transfers between one and the other, no? I didn't mean they were _literally_ cooking them in animal grease but rather figuratively.
- wendyjreichert 8y ago
  If you have a care for the environmental impact, would not having an additional grill be a waste of resources and harmful to the planet?
  - Forbo 8y ago
    It definitely would increase the friction of adoption. The perfect is the enemy of the good and all that....
- adrianmonk 8y ago
  OK, I can understand that's not the point you were making. I thought you were saying that because at many fast food places they are literally cooking them in animal grease. Many fast food places (McDonald's, Wendy's) use a flat surface similar to this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Flickr_XP-ert_489502412--Cheeseburgers_on_grill.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Flickr_X... Typical ground beef is 20% fat (80% lean), and if you cook it on that, the fat will melt, it will hang around on that surface, and whatever else you cook next will be cooked in animal grease left over from the beef patty. If you flame broil, the burger sits on a wire mesh, and the grease drips away. I'm not just picking nits. I'm really trying to make a sincere point that I think one method will have significantly less transfer (not zero) than the other.