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That is the definition of justice [0], and the definition of social [1]. What do you mean by "social justice"? Friendly righteousness? Edit. To further clarify

by pacala 7y ago

That is the definition of justice [0], and the definition of social [1]. What do you mean by "social justice"? Friendly righteousness? Edit. To further clarify, help distinguish "social justice" from "colorless green ideas sleep furiously." [0] https://www.dictionary.com/browse/justice https://www.dictionary.com/browse/justice [1] https://www.dictionary.com/browse/social https://www.dictionary.com/browse/social

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asveikau 7y ago
> Friendly righteousness? I'd much prefer the "equitable companionship" interpretation. Kind sir or madam, I and my definition of "social justice" are not your enemy. You are a stranger to me but I trust you are able to interpret the phrase just as well as I, and hope that you can trust me to do the same. So do relax.
- pacala 7y ago
  How can you make moral judgements about "social justice" and its advocates/opponents, when you can't even define the term in your own words? I appreciate your instinct toward open and polite dialogue, I just don't see how that can work on a topic you can't propose a definition for.
  - asveikau 7y ago
    This is kind of facetious, my friend. You haven't asked me to define any other terms in the language we are using and yet you know what we are talking about. Likely you have formed your own opinion about the term a priori that is incompatible with popular understanding, and you wish to make a point which is not relevant to my commentary. I have given you everything you need to understand the comment. Cheers. Edit: if you do really want me to expand, I do take it as the conjunction of two words, one implying fairness, and another implying people or society. I also recognize that many will interpret the phrase with emphasis on protected classes, or things that ought to be protected classes that may not legally be so. Fairness is a subjective term so people will disagree. My personal definition does not matter so much since this discussion is, far as I can tell, centered around people who are not me.
    - pacala 7y ago
      Most people have a fairness instinct. The fairness instinct has been observed even in monkeys [0]. Given that most people also live within a social fabric, it is not too hard to imagine that most people have an instinct for a fair society. Alas, this is simply too vague of a definition, as it encompasses most religious/philosophical/political perspectives out there, on the left as well as on the right [gasp!]. The modern "social justice" movement has a number of very specific insistences, which align with a much smaller subset of perspectives than the umbrella "fair society" ideal would imply. I simply want to have someone sympathetic to the modern "social justice" movement to state some specifics on what they mean by "social justice". Looks like you're not the right person, no worries. I'll keep asking. One day someone will answer. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKhAd0Tyny0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKhAd0Tyny0
      - asveikau 7y ago
        I don't honestly think there is a social justice movement. You are implying more organization than exists. That is why you can't find any. AFAIK the term "sjw" was defined by those that oppose it.

by pacala 7y ago

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asveikau 7y ago

> Friendly righteousness? I'd much prefer the "equitable companionship" interpretation. Kind sir or madam, I and my definition of "social justice" are not your enemy. You are a stranger to me but I trust you are able to interpret the phrase just as well as I, and hope that you can trust me to do the same. So do relax.

pacala 7y ago
How can you make moral judgements about "social justice" and its advocates/opponents, when you can't even define the term in your own words? I appreciate your instinct toward open and polite dialogue, I just don't see how that can work on a topic you can't propose a definition for.
- asveikau 7y ago
  This is kind of facetious, my friend. You haven't asked me to define any other terms in the language we are using and yet you know what we are talking about. Likely you have formed your own opinion about the term a priori that is incompatible with popular understanding, and you wish to make a point which is not relevant to my commentary. I have given you everything you need to understand the comment. Cheers. Edit: if you do really want me to expand, I do take it as the conjunction of two words, one implying fairness, and another implying people or society. I also recognize that many will interpret the phrase with emphasis on protected classes, or things that ought to be protected classes that may not legally be so. Fairness is a subjective term so people will disagree. My personal definition does not matter so much since this discussion is, far as I can tell, centered around people who are not me.
  - pacala 7y ago
    Most people have a fairness instinct. The fairness instinct has been observed even in monkeys [0]. Given that most people also live within a social fabric, it is not too hard to imagine that most people have an instinct for a fair society. Alas, this is simply too vague of a definition, as it encompasses most religious/philosophical/political perspectives out there, on the left as well as on the right [gasp!]. The modern "social justice" movement has a number of very specific insistences, which align with a much smaller subset of perspectives than the umbrella "fair society" ideal would imply. I simply want to have someone sympathetic to the modern "social justice" movement to state some specifics on what they mean by "social justice". Looks like you're not the right person, no worries. I'll keep asking. One day someone will answer. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKhAd0Tyny0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKhAd0Tyny0
    - asveikau 7y ago
      I don't honestly think there is a social justice movement. You are implying more organization than exists. That is why you can't find any. AFAIK the term "sjw" was defined by those that oppose it.