3 ms·

That's impossible. Anytime there is a rape case and the accused doesn't confess guilt, there is a implicit accusation that the accuser is lying. So all counts

That's impossible. Anytime there is a rape case and the accused doesn't confess guilt, there is a implicit accusation that the accuser is lying. So all counts of rape not prosecuted count as a potentially unprosecuted count of false accusation.

DanBC 8y ago
> there is a implicit accusation that the accuser is lying. No, this is a bizarre interpretation of the legal system. A man can think he has consent and a woman can think she did not give consent. That doesn't mean one is lying, it means one didn't understand the situation. This is very different from inventing a situation that never happened which is what we mean when we talk about false allegations. Are you using your own definition for "false allegation"? One that isn't used by the English courts or the UK statisticians?
- repolfx 8y ago
  A man can think he has consent and a woman can think she did not give consent. That doesn't mean one is lying, it means one didn't understand the situation. Yes, and if the man claims he isn't guilty of rape, he's implicitly claiming the woman "didn't understand the situation" as you put it and is thus lying about having been raped. The original point is correct. If someone accuses you of something and you say "I didn't do it" then by definition you are implying the accuser is lying.
- true_religion 8y ago
  The poster I was replying to was using a very loose definition of unprosecuted crime, basically implying that anytime one person says a crime occurred and it goes unprosecuted then it should be counted as such. That kind of lazy statistic cuts both ways. The accuser believes there is a crime, the accused thinks it's a false accusation. Legally speaking, with rape the police aren't usually really sure a crime occurred as there is no proof. That's why they don't prosecute.

3 ms·

That's impossible. Anytime there is a rape case and the accused doesn't confess guilt, there is a implicit accusation that the accuser is lying. So all counts

by true_religion 8y ago

DanBC 8y ago
> there is a implicit accusation that the accuser is lying. No, this is a bizarre interpretation of the legal system. A man can think he has consent and a woman can think she did not give consent. That doesn't mean one is lying, it means one didn't understand the situation. This is very different from inventing a situation that never happened which is what we mean when we talk about false allegations. Are you using your own definition for "false allegation"? One that isn't used by the English courts or the UK statisticians?
- repolfx 8y ago
  A man can think he has consent and a woman can think she did not give consent. That doesn't mean one is lying, it means one didn't understand the situation. Yes, and if the man claims he isn't guilty of rape, he's implicitly claiming the woman "didn't understand the situation" as you put it and is thus lying about having been raped. The original point is correct. If someone accuses you of something and you say "I didn't do it" then by definition you are implying the accuser is lying.
- true_religion 8y ago
  The poster I was replying to was using a very loose definition of unprosecuted crime, basically implying that anytime one person says a crime occurred and it goes unprosecuted then it should be counted as such. That kind of lazy statistic cuts both ways. The accuser believes there is a crime, the accused thinks it's a false accusation. Legally speaking, with rape the police aren't usually really sure a crime occurred as there is no proof. That's why they don't prosecute.