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Don't get me wrong, I bike too. I also have little faith that this sort of system will be implemented effectively and transparently. I also don't think it shoul

by gbrown 8y ago

Don't get me wrong, I bike too. I also have little faith that this sort of system will be implemented effectively and transparently. I also don't think it should be legal in the first place to gather this kind of data without informed consent (no, TOS doesn't count). There's so much going on in industry that an IRB wouldn't touch, and that's where I think we need more regulation. (I also think we need change-lanes-to-pass bills, better bike infrastructure, more regulation on car infotainment systems, and GOOD approaches to punishing and preventing distracted driving).

bryanlarsen 8y ago
The OP's dialog box was: "Please confirm that you are a passenger and not driving this vehicle. Phone interactions are being logged and will be available to law enforcement if a collision occurs." Clicking OK on that dialog box sounds like informed consent to me.
- gbrown 8y ago
  First, it's not clear to me that this is what is being proposed - instead, it sounds like the companies involved get their surveillance tech rolled into other apps like adware. Second, even if enrollment in the program was done more carefully (people shouldn't find out suddenly and in unfamiliar ways about intrusive technology), you'd REALLY want to study this to make sure that the jarring warning doesn't cause even more accidents. I'm not against using technology to improve public safety, but I'm against half-assed ideas which would never hold up under reasonable peer or institutional review without a lot more careful consideration of safety and privacy.
- leetcrew 8y ago
  "CITIZEN, phone interactions are being logged and will be available to law enforcement." maybe I'm just one of those freedom-addled american cowboys, but I don't ever want to get a message like that from a device I own. save that for the computers at work or jail.
  - anonymou2 8y ago
    You don't own your phone, unless you run replicant on it. And even then you still have the proprietary modem.
megy 8y ago
I disagree, I think every single car should be constantly tracked, and what the driver is doing tracked as well. 40,000 people die every single year in the US, more than gun deaths. Cars are killing machines.
- whenchamenia 8y ago
  That is terrifying. Why do you want everyone tracked? Deaths are not somehow prevented by surveilance.

by gbrown 8y ago

bryanlarsen 8y ago

The OP's dialog box was: "Please confirm that you are a passenger and not driving this vehicle. Phone interactions are being logged and will be available to law enforcement if a collision occurs." Clicking OK on that dialog box sounds like informed consent to me.

gbrown 8y ago
First, it's not clear to me that this is what is being proposed - instead, it sounds like the companies involved get their surveillance tech rolled into other apps like adware. Second, even if enrollment in the program was done more carefully (people shouldn't find out suddenly and in unfamiliar ways about intrusive technology), you'd REALLY want to study this to make sure that the jarring warning doesn't cause even more accidents. I'm not against using technology to improve public safety, but I'm against half-assed ideas which would never hold up under reasonable peer or institutional review without a lot more careful consideration of safety and privacy.
leetcrew 8y ago
"CITIZEN, phone interactions are being logged and will be available to law enforcement." maybe I'm just one of those freedom-addled american cowboys, but I don't ever want to get a message like that from a device I own. save that for the computers at work or jail.
- anonymou2 8y ago
  You don't own your phone, unless you run replicant on it. And even then you still have the proprietary modem.

megy 8y ago

I disagree, I think every single car should be constantly tracked, and what the driver is doing tracked as well. 40,000 people die every single year in the US, more than gun deaths. Cars are killing machines.

whenchamenia 8y ago
That is terrifying. Why do you want everyone tracked? Deaths are not somehow prevented by surveilance.