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That is bit like saying people are inherently good.. Just a thought, but perhaps this is just another power play where employee wellness is used as vehicle. Th

That is bit like saying people are inherently good.. Just a thought, but perhaps this is just another power play where employee wellness is used as vehicle. The best way forward in enabling unionization and get better benefits is to create more division between employer and employee. If you look more closely that is already happening. In the coming months there will be a lot of rehashing the stories (and even a dedicated movie) where Google employees are deprived of a bigger and better paycheck.

ergothus 7y ago
> That is bit like saying people are inherently good.. Not my intention - I was offering an alternative to the "If you don't like it you should just leave, because appeasement is death for a company"(paraphrase) I was replying to. (Though I do think people as a whole tend towards communal improvement, albeit with lots of short term self-focused protections) > The best way forward [for union/benefits] ... is to create more division between employer and employee OTOH, I wouldn't agree with this statement either. More division is something that CAN happen (and appears to HAVE happened here), but it's a bad idea for both employee and employer to SEEK that out. On the gripping hand, people regularly find a way to perform below my lowest expectations, so I may be pollyannaing all of this.
- throwaway94713 7y ago
  > More division is something that CAN happen (and appears to HAVE happened here), but it's a bad idea for both employee and employer to SEEK that out. That is just basic politics, strength in numbers. If you want align people with different ideological ideals/background or engage non participants, you use a common ground. What better way than to tell people they are being treated/payed unfairly. Not saying it is the best way or that they are intentionally doing this, but it works.

ergothus 7y ago

> That is bit like saying people are inherently good.. Not my intention - I was offering an alternative to the "If you don't like it you should just leave, because appeasement is death for a company"(paraphrase) I was replying to. (Though I do think people as a whole tend towards communal improvement, albeit with lots of short term self-focused protections) > The best way forward [for union/benefits] ... is to create more division between employer and employee OTOH, I wouldn't agree with this statement either. More division is something that CAN happen (and appears to HAVE happened here), but it's a bad idea for both employee and employer to SEEK that out. On the gripping hand, people regularly find a way to perform below my lowest expectations, so I may be pollyannaing all of this.

throwaway94713 7y ago
> More division is something that CAN happen (and appears to HAVE happened here), but it's a bad idea for both employee and employer to SEEK that out. That is just basic politics, strength in numbers. If you want align people with different ideological ideals/background or engage non participants, you use a common ground. What better way than to tell people they are being treated/payed unfairly. Not saying it is the best way or that they are intentionally doing this, but it works.