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I would settle for a link -- from an analyst or a press release to back up that claim. Otherwise , this thread (not the parent article)is just FUD.

kls 16y ago
You not too familiar with Ellison's frequent ramblings on this subject are you? Take a look at the link below I think it will open your eyes to how Ellison views Open Source, he sees very little value in it and will not buy Open Source companies because he feels that he cannot monetize them. To the potential that he would want to. It is natural to draw the conclusion that he sees Suns free offerings in the same light as he has never changes position on the subject. It is no big secret that the only kind of customer Oracle has is the paying kind. http://us.ft.com/ftgateway/superpage.ft?news_id=fto041820061306424713 http://us.ft.com/ftgateway/superpage.ft?news_id=fto041820061... As well as this one where they pretty much say yep we are going to monetize the JVM. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/06/oracle_dueling_jvms/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/06/oracle_dueling_jvms/ We see in China and India, all that stuff is freely available and Red Hat is just cut completely out of the market. I'm not gong to spend $5bn, or $6bn, for something that can just be so completely wiped off the map. They take all the Red Hat code, have their own equivalent of the Red Hat network, and Red Hat gets zero. So its all very interesting. You can build a sustainable business [in open source], you just can't charge a lot for it. There's brand value – there's real brand – there's people, and that's it.
chc 16y ago
I don't think you understand what "that claim" is. Nobody's claiming that Oracle literally said the words you put in quotation marks. The actual claim you are disputing, as far as I can tell, is that Oracle's recent actions have shown an intent to take Java from a free programming language to a money-making venture and oppose implementations that don't put money in Oracle's pockets. See, for example, the suit against Google and the sidelining of Harmony. The article itself notes that even the groups supporting Oracle's technology roadmap are troubled by its business decisions around Java. None of this is the kind of thing most people would look for in a press release.
nitrogen 16y ago
Shouldn't the opinion of developers in the trenches have more weight than some ivory tower analyst or newspeak press release?

kls 16y ago

You not too familiar with Ellison's frequent ramblings on this subject are you? Take a look at the link below I think it will open your eyes to how Ellison views Open Source, he sees very little value in it and will not buy Open Source companies because he feels that he cannot monetize them. To the potential that he would want to. It is natural to draw the conclusion that he sees Suns free offerings in the same light as he has never changes position on the subject. It is no big secret that the only kind of customer Oracle has is the paying kind. http://us.ft.com/ftgateway/superpage.ft?news_id=fto041820061306424713 http://us.ft.com/ftgateway/superpage.ft?news_id=fto041820061... As well as this one where they pretty much say yep we are going to monetize the JVM. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/06/oracle_dueling_jvms/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/06/oracle_dueling_jvms/ We see in China and India, all that stuff is freely available and Red Hat is just cut completely out of the market. I'm not gong to spend $5bn, or $6bn, for something that can just be so completely wiped off the map. They take all the Red Hat code, have their own equivalent of the Red Hat network, and Red Hat gets zero. So its all very interesting. You can build a sustainable business [in open source], you just can't charge a lot for it. There's brand value – there's real brand – there's people, and that's it.

chc 16y ago

I don't think you understand what "that claim" is. Nobody's claiming that Oracle literally said the words you put in quotation marks. The actual claim you are disputing, as far as I can tell, is that Oracle's recent actions have shown an intent to take Java from a free programming language to a money-making venture and oppose implementations that don't put money in Oracle's pockets. See, for example, the suit against Google and the sidelining of Harmony. The article itself notes that even the groups supporting Oracle's technology roadmap are troubled by its business decisions around Java. None of this is the kind of thing most people would look for in a press release.

nitrogen 16y ago

Shouldn't the opinion of developers in the trenches have more weight than some ivory tower analyst or newspeak press release?