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Retaliation is when someone experiences adverse consequences for doing the right thing. You wouldn't say, "Joe is a victim of retaliation. He didn't show up to
by asdfasgasdgasdg 8y ago
Retaliation is when someone experiences adverse consequences for doing the right thing. You wouldn't say, "Joe is a victim of retaliation. He didn't show up to work for two weeks and they retaliated by firing him!" The people who didn't like the Damore memo believed it demonstrated a fireable offense -- creating a hostile work environment by stating or implying that women are less suited to the job. They wouldn't view his firing as retaliation, because they view it as justified.
Of course, there are individuals like yourself who have a different perspective on that -- and for the purposes of keeping this discussion on topic I'll avoid sharing my views on that. Regardless, it is different from being fired or punished for reporting sexual harassment or racial discrimination. There is substantially no political group who, at least publicly, would espouse the view that such reports are wrong, or should be punishable in any way. Except I suppose if they are found to be baseless. So if someone suffers adverse consequences due to making such reports, assuming they are made in good faith, almost everyone would agree that that is retaliation.
- temp1831 8y agoMost bosses that retaliate do not view it as retaliation. I know that when I have acted immorally in my own past, I felt justified about it. It is not true that he stated women are less suited to the job. It is possible that he was implying it. Firing him for something he did not say, but may have implied, is weak. Destroying a person's livelihood for an imagined offense WHILE the company releases a statement that they encourage widespread opinions is even weaker.
- asdfasgasdgasdg 8y ago> Most bosses that retaliate do not view it as retaliation. I don't understand how that's relevant. I mean I grant you that wrongdoers often believe they are doing right. That is true in almost any context. The issue is about whether wrong is being done -- by which I mean, the consensus viewpoint on that question -- not how the wrongdoers feel about their wrongdoing. (I see your other paragraph, but I'm not responding to it because, as I said earlier, I don't wish to discuss my views on it. I'm not afraid to talk about it, but I don't think it would move this particular discussion forward.)
- jhayward 8y ago> Retaliation is when someone experiences adverse consequences for doing the right thing Not quite: retaliation is when someone experiences adverse consequences for using the proper channels and methods to try to do the right thing. They are allowed to be wrong about whether their complaint or concern is actionable; as long as the employee was proceeding properly they are protected against retaliation.