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> train people how to use the dishwashers If any workplace ever implements this - leave. I'm not paying my engineers $200k a year to load a dishwasher for eve

by brador 8y ago

> train people how to use the dishwashers If any workplace ever implements this - leave. I'm not paying my engineers $200k a year to load a dishwasher for even a minute. We have cleaners who do it as part of their rotation, anything else and you're running a clown show.

zrobotics 8y ago
So do you use LOC as the primary metric for productivity? I've definitely had insights into a current project while performing a mindless task like washing dishes, in fact there are certain times where I will seek out a task like that. To me, the bigger WTF is having to train people to use a dishwasher--hopefully that is something most adults can be expected to know how to do already.
- brador 8y ago
  Having the dishwasher as a choice is one thing, forcing it? That’s crossing a line. And you know you’ll get that all seeing eye watching who isn’t washing their cups and scheming to make their life hell. Serenity is priceless for coders.
  - accnumnplus1 8y ago
    Serenity is priceless for coders. This is pricelessly succint. If there is one guiding principal for creating office space, this should be it.
- mft_ 8y ago
  > To me, the bigger WTF is having to train people to use a dishwasher--hopefully that is something most adults can be expected to know how to do already. You'd think, but in this case it is surprisingly unintuitive. The machine is a small high-throughput commercial grade item (takes just a few minutes per wash) which has little in common with home dishwashers. Further, its touchscreen interface is honestly really confusing. It took me a few goes and several wrong turns before I got it right, and this was with motivation.
mft_ 8y ago
> If any workplace ever implements this - leave. > I'm not paying my engineers $200k a year to load a dishwasher for even a minute. We have cleaners who do it as part of their rotation, anything else and you're running a clown show. I see your point, but it's means to an end. Our immediate goal, as a group of motivated employees, is to remove the paper cups. This is being done with the grudging acceptance of the team who actually run the building, who would probably be much happier if we stopped trying to change things, making their lives more complicated. Thus, while we can make the change we desire quickly and relatively easily, we must also handle the downsides of the change, to be successful - otherwise, it would be reversed. Long-term, having a dedicated cleaner do this would be optimal... but that's a change that would take far longer to enact.

by brador 8y ago

zrobotics 8y ago

So do you use LOC as the primary metric for productivity? I've definitely had insights into a current project while performing a mindless task like washing dishes, in fact there are certain times where I will seek out a task like that. To me, the bigger WTF is having to train people to use a dishwasher--hopefully that is something most adults can be expected to know how to do already.

brador 8y ago
Having the dishwasher as a choice is one thing, forcing it? That’s crossing a line. And you know you’ll get that all seeing eye watching who isn’t washing their cups and scheming to make their life hell. Serenity is priceless for coders.
- accnumnplus1 8y ago
  Serenity is priceless for coders. This is pricelessly succint. If there is one guiding principal for creating office space, this should be it.
mft_ 8y ago
> To me, the bigger WTF is having to train people to use a dishwasher--hopefully that is something most adults can be expected to know how to do already. You'd think, but in this case it is surprisingly unintuitive. The machine is a small high-throughput commercial grade item (takes just a few minutes per wash) which has little in common with home dishwashers. Further, its touchscreen interface is honestly really confusing. It took me a few goes and several wrong turns before I got it right, and this was with motivation.

mft_ 8y ago

> If any workplace ever implements this - leave. > I'm not paying my engineers $200k a year to load a dishwasher for even a minute. We have cleaners who do it as part of their rotation, anything else and you're running a clown show. I see your point, but it's means to an end. Our immediate goal, as a group of motivated employees, is to remove the paper cups. This is being done with the grudging acceptance of the team who actually run the building, who would probably be much happier if we stopped trying to change things, making their lives more complicated. Thus, while we can make the change we desire quickly and relatively easily, we must also handle the downsides of the change, to be successful - otherwise, it would be reversed. Long-term, having a dedicated cleaner do this would be optimal... but that's a change that would take far longer to enact.