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The implication was "for non-related crimes". Basically the police don't want to spend time trying to find whoever raped you if you're unwilling to hand over y

The implication was "for non-related crimes". Basically the police don't want to spend time trying to find whoever raped you if you're unwilling to hand over your phone because the way they see it if you have something to hide it's because you're probably involved in other shady shit and are correspondingly at the bottom of the priority ladder as far as the police care. It's like when a known drug dealer gets shot they just figure it was a rival dealer and/or he had it coming so they don't spend more than the minimum time investigating it. Ditto for a hooker who gets raped. They tend to see that as just one of the risks in that business.

saagarjha 8y ago
> if you have something to hide Almost everyone has something to hide (for example, I may or may not have software on my computer that I didn’t quite followed the licensing terms for), and they shouldn’t be denied the right to a fair trial for something unrelated because of this.
- tracker1 8y ago
  They could offer immunity against crimes not related to a strict list that they may find on your phone. That strict list including murder, conspiracy to commit murder, treason, embezzlement, securities fraud and a few other felony crimes. That would exclude the rest. It would also have to include verbiage about parallel construction practices.
DanBC 8y ago
> Ditto for a hooker who gets raped. Do you have any evidence that prostitutes who are raped do not have their crime investigated to the same extent as any other victim? https://www.cps.gov.uk/publication/cps-policy-prosecuting-cases-rape https://www.cps.gov.uk/publication/cps-policy-prosecuting-ca... > We are aware that there are myths and stereotypes surrounding the offence of rape. Examples of such myths include: [...] > prostitutes cannot be raped. > Prosecutors who deal with rape cases are taught about them as part of their specialist training. We will not allow these myths and stereotypes to influence our decisions and we will robustly challenge such attitudes in the courtroom. Here's an article from 2011 suggesting that changes in attitudes in police meant more prostitutes felt able to report rape: https://www.economist.com/britain/2011/01/20/in-from-the-cold https://www.economist.com/britain/2011/01/20/in-from-the-col...
- coldtea 8y ago
  >Do you have any evidence that prostitutes who are raped do not have their crime investigated to the same extent as any other victim? Well, empirical reality is enough. Unless people live in some middle/upper middle class bubble, and have seldom or never met and talked with prostitutes, policemen, people in everyday contact with either group, etc, they know that this exactly is the case. That's a 2011 article about a change in mentality in a single country, and with still measly little statistical increase (even if positive). And it doesn't even touch on what happens afterwards, and the rates of convictions in each category. If anything, the article negates the question (it started getting somewhat better in 2011 -- which already means it wasn't anywhere near on parity as per the question).
  - DanBC 8y ago
    > in a single country The country that is the topic of discussion in this thread and the submitted article.
ptaipale 8y ago
Everyone has something to hide. The police will understand that. But if the police are not able to get at all the relevant evidence, it is difficult to investigate.

saagarjha 8y ago

> if you have something to hide Almost everyone has something to hide (for example, I may or may not have software on my computer that I didn’t quite followed the licensing terms for), and they shouldn’t be denied the right to a fair trial for something unrelated because of this.

tracker1 8y ago
They could offer immunity against crimes not related to a strict list that they may find on your phone. That strict list including murder, conspiracy to commit murder, treason, embezzlement, securities fraud and a few other felony crimes. That would exclude the rest. It would also have to include verbiage about parallel construction practices.

DanBC 8y ago

> Ditto for a hooker who gets raped. Do you have any evidence that prostitutes who are raped do not have their crime investigated to the same extent as any other victim? https://www.cps.gov.uk/publication/cps-policy-prosecuting-cases-rape https://www.cps.gov.uk/publication/cps-policy-prosecuting-ca... > We are aware that there are myths and stereotypes surrounding the offence of rape. Examples of such myths include: [...] > prostitutes cannot be raped. > Prosecutors who deal with rape cases are taught about them as part of their specialist training. We will not allow these myths and stereotypes to influence our decisions and we will robustly challenge such attitudes in the courtroom. Here's an article from 2011 suggesting that changes in attitudes in police meant more prostitutes felt able to report rape: https://www.economist.com/britain/2011/01/20/in-from-the-cold https://www.economist.com/britain/2011/01/20/in-from-the-col...

coldtea 8y ago
>Do you have any evidence that prostitutes who are raped do not have their crime investigated to the same extent as any other victim? Well, empirical reality is enough. Unless people live in some middle/upper middle class bubble, and have seldom or never met and talked with prostitutes, policemen, people in everyday contact with either group, etc, they know that this exactly is the case. That's a 2011 article about a change in mentality in a single country, and with still measly little statistical increase (even if positive). And it doesn't even touch on what happens afterwards, and the rates of convictions in each category. If anything, the article negates the question (it started getting somewhat better in 2011 -- which already means it wasn't anywhere near on parity as per the question).
- DanBC 8y ago
  > in a single country The country that is the topic of discussion in this thread and the submitted article.

ptaipale 8y ago

Everyone has something to hide. The police will understand that. But if the police are not able to get at all the relevant evidence, it is difficult to investigate.