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I don't know how they can claim to make this comparison. Do an image search for mouse skeleton and compare to dog skeleton. These creatures are hyper speciali

I don't know how they can claim to make this comparison. Do an image search for mouse skeleton and compare to dog skeleton. These creatures are hyper specialised to run pretty much nonstop all day every day, as evidenced by the fact that lab mice will voluntarily run 10km when present with a mouse wheel and no prior training. Human running is bound to be way more laborious. The comparison is nonsense. I agree with your broader point though. Edit to add: My previous pup, a Border Collie x German Shorthaired Pointed, after only five introductory sessions, would voluntarily get on the treadmill we had set up for her. There is something inherently different about these creatures. One of my pet theories of why they don't live as long is because they're brains are hardwired to make them act like they're on MDMA and amphetamine all the time.

xattt 8y ago
Your suggestion that exercise is more laborious would suggest that smaller amounts of exertion would be sufficient in achieving the same effect.
- TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
  Yes, that's my claim.
_Microft 8y ago
You might find this interesting: most mammals have a maximum number of heartbeats of about 1 billion in their life and the smaller an animal, the faster their heart beats. So the faster the heart beats, the shorter their life is. Why this is a rule, I have no idea. Humans are an exception to this with approximately 4 billion heartbeats possible in life. It is only mentioned in the german Wikipedia [0] but not in the english. [0] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herzfrequenz#Herzfrequenz_bei_Tieren https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herzfrequenz#Herzfrequenz_bei_... Edit: citations 5 and 6 might be a good starting point to delve into this.
- TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
  I’ve come across this idea before. I wonder how active a person would have to be over a life time compared to an inactive person to run out or heart beats and die before the inactive person succumbed to the maladies of the lazy.
  - _Microft 8y ago
    While the pulse goes up during training, a well-trained athletes can have normal pulse rates that are far less than of untrained persons. Down to less than 50 bpm, so I wouldn't be afraid of them running out of heart beats.
    - DoreenMichele 8y ago
      Low resting BPM plus meditation can easily drop it to 30 BPM or less, at least for short periods.
jxcl 8y ago
My prior reading contradicts this idea. It's my understanding that humans, being bipedal rather than quadrupedal, are more efficient runners[0]. Quadrupeds have the advantage over short distances [like dwarves, they are natural sprinters [1]], but their metabolism is not suited to endurance running. They lack sweat glands necessary to cool their bodies over long periods of exertion as well. There are hypotheses of early humans hunting by purely chasing down their prey during the hottest part of the day and into hyperthermia.[2] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endurance_running_hypothesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endurance_running_hypothesis [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4qZrPX60bw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4qZrPX60bw [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_hunting#In_humans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_hunting#In_humans
- TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
  Is there any evidence to suggest that humans have ever preyed upon other apex predators? I'm finding it hard to imagine humans would hunt down wild dogs / cats for food. Additionally, if lab mice can voluntarily run 10km in an evening, doesn't that alone shoot holes in this theory? My understanding was the theory indicated humans could outrun grazing animals. A quick search shows the Australian Kelpie can run 60km in a work day, and apparently the Australian Dingo has been know to travel 40km in a day. Here's an article[1] about long distance runners having canine companions because their human friends couldn't keep up. 1. https://www.runnersworld.com/advanced/a20836779/super-distance-dogs/ https://www.runnersworld.com/advanced/a20836779/super-distan...

xattt 8y ago

Your suggestion that exercise is more laborious would suggest that smaller amounts of exertion would be sufficient in achieving the same effect.

TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
Yes, that's my claim.

_Microft 8y ago

You might find this interesting: most mammals have a maximum number of heartbeats of about 1 billion in their life and the smaller an animal, the faster their heart beats. So the faster the heart beats, the shorter their life is. Why this is a rule, I have no idea. Humans are an exception to this with approximately 4 billion heartbeats possible in life. It is only mentioned in the german Wikipedia [0] but not in the english. [0] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herzfrequenz#Herzfrequenz_bei_Tieren https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herzfrequenz#Herzfrequenz_bei_... Edit: citations 5 and 6 might be a good starting point to delve into this.

TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
I’ve come across this idea before. I wonder how active a person would have to be over a life time compared to an inactive person to run out or heart beats and die before the inactive person succumbed to the maladies of the lazy.
- _Microft 8y ago
  While the pulse goes up during training, a well-trained athletes can have normal pulse rates that are far less than of untrained persons. Down to less than 50 bpm, so I wouldn't be afraid of them running out of heart beats.
  - DoreenMichele 8y ago
    Low resting BPM plus meditation can easily drop it to 30 BPM or less, at least for short periods.

jxcl 8y ago

My prior reading contradicts this idea. It's my understanding that humans, being bipedal rather than quadrupedal, are more efficient runners[0]. Quadrupeds have the advantage over short distances [like dwarves, they are natural sprinters [1]], but their metabolism is not suited to endurance running. They lack sweat glands necessary to cool their bodies over long periods of exertion as well. There are hypotheses of early humans hunting by purely chasing down their prey during the hottest part of the day and into hyperthermia.[2] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endurance_running_hypothesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endurance_running_hypothesis [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4qZrPX60bw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4qZrPX60bw [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_hunting#In_humans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_hunting#In_humans

TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
Is there any evidence to suggest that humans have ever preyed upon other apex predators? I'm finding it hard to imagine humans would hunt down wild dogs / cats for food. Additionally, if lab mice can voluntarily run 10km in an evening, doesn't that alone shoot holes in this theory? My understanding was the theory indicated humans could outrun grazing animals. A quick search shows the Australian Kelpie can run 60km in a work day, and apparently the Australian Dingo has been know to travel 40km in a day. Here's an article[1] about long distance runners having canine companions because their human friends couldn't keep up. 1. https://www.runnersworld.com/advanced/a20836779/super-distance-dogs/ https://www.runnersworld.com/advanced/a20836779/super-distan...