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Old emotions remain salient in insomnia disorder

79 points by charlieirish 7y ago

wrnr 7y ago
Any suggestions on what to do about it?
- tallanvor 7y ago
  The study doesn't seem to explore treatments.
  - ianai 7y ago
    My best response was to correct, time released dosing of melatonin at the same time every day. It’s important to do all of the life changes needed - lights off or dim, warm light, very dim phone, reminders for the melatonin at the same time every day, etc.
    - neilv 7y ago
      I don't know about the melatonin (I don't like taking anything other than a multivitamin nutritional safety net), but, as bedtime approaches, I like a dim orange light, and to use color temperature changing software/settings on screens. http://jonls.dk/redshift/ http://jonls.dk/redshift/
      - ianai 7y ago
        The funny thing is you do still take vitamins in your diet through “functional foods.” Another trick that might help someone for those nights where your brain races too much to sleep: get out of bed and write down all the thoughts you’re having with a pen/pencil and paper. Avoid a computer screen since the light really will keep you up and energized.
        Gwypaas 7y ago
        I mostly solved my sleeping issue after many years of trial and error by having a speaker by the bed and then on low volume play a podcast that's interesting enough to listen to but not interesting enough to keep me engaged. This helps me by keeping my mind focused on something unimportant instead of racing around, when I inevitably try to focus on something else it's drowned out by the podcast.
        elliekelly 7y ago
        > then on low volume play a podcast that's interesting enough to listen to but not interesting enough to keep me engaged I tell anyone who will listen about the podcast "Sleep with Me." Scooter is a master of being just-interesting-enough but in a very soothing voice. For all I know he's hypnotizing me every night because I'm always able to fall asleep long before the episode is over.
        cosmie 7y ago
        Music or a podcast like this has always worked really well to solve insomnia issues for me. Unfortunately it led me to discover a new issue - when I fall asleep listening to anything, even on low volume, there's a really good chance I'll sleep through my alarm(s) in the morning. Anyone else ever run into that?
        herniatedeel 7y ago
        One solution might be to set a sleep timer on your podcast app.
- superplussed 7y ago
  There is a book I'm currently reading that lines up nicely with what is discussed in this study. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007QMZ7Z8/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007QMZ7Z8/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?... The theory laid out is that early childhood trauma gets stored in the body, and that there has to be a bottom-up approach to dealing with the afteraffects of this. A top-down approach that is purely cognitive won't suffice. I'm not yet at the treatment portion of the book, but it seems to exactly line up with this study and might be interesting for you.
  - perseusmandate 7y ago
    Have you read The Body Keeps the Score? Extremely well done book that comes to a similar conclusion
    - superplussed 7y ago
      Amazing, hadn't heard of it and will definitely pick it up. Thanks!
  - RickS 7y ago
    Picked this up, thanks. I'll give another recommendation for another commenter's suggestion of "the body keeps the score".
  - mindgam3 7y ago
    +1 for The Body Keeps the Score. Before reading it, I discovered that a regular sauna practice (alternating cold hot cycles) had major benefits on my trauma symptoms, both developmental and acute PTSD from a near death experience. Then I read the book and was gratified to find this approach studied/explained/validated. These days I recommend it to anyone with mental health concerns, which is basically everyone these days as far as I can tell. This book on developmental trauma looks good as well, thanks for sharing.
magwa101 7y ago
Taking nutritional yeast (B complex) before sleep has helped my brain activity a lot. Better sleep, more lucid dreams, waking in a better mood. 1-2 hours before bed, 1 spoon, still experimenting.
- ianai 7y ago
  Any luck finding an affordable nutritional yeast without synthetic vitamins? Other than buying bulk.
  - tw1010 7y ago
    What's wrong with synthetic vitamins?
    - nf05papsjfVbc 7y ago
      If they are not all water soluble, you might be taking too much of one (or more). This is not always safe.
      - ianai 7y ago
        They can also be downright harmful. Cyanocobalamin molecules must be first broken down and turned into biologically available forms of cobalamin. In the process, a cyanide molecule is released into your liver. It’s not enough to kill you, but it does tax your liver. People report feeling slightly lightheaded and a loss of focus taking cyanocobalamin versus other, more readily available forms.
tw1010 7y ago
The worst part is when you habitually come to rely on this effect for being productive. Then you're hooked and life without it is like traversing the trough of a surface before reaching a greater local maxima.
Emily4737 7y ago
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- swampthinker 7y ago
  @dang
Emily4737 7y ago
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79 points by charlieirish 7y ago

wrnr 7y ago

Any suggestions on what to do about it?

tallanvor 7y ago
The study doesn't seem to explore treatments.
- ianai 7y ago
  My best response was to correct, time released dosing of melatonin at the same time every day. It’s important to do all of the life changes needed - lights off or dim, warm light, very dim phone, reminders for the melatonin at the same time every day, etc.
  - neilv 7y ago
    I don't know about the melatonin (I don't like taking anything other than a multivitamin nutritional safety net), but, as bedtime approaches, I like a dim orange light, and to use color temperature changing software/settings on screens. http://jonls.dk/redshift/ http://jonls.dk/redshift/
    - ianai 7y ago
      The funny thing is you do still take vitamins in your diet through “functional foods.” Another trick that might help someone for those nights where your brain races too much to sleep: get out of bed and write down all the thoughts you’re having with a pen/pencil and paper. Avoid a computer screen since the light really will keep you up and energized.
      - Gwypaas 7y ago
        I mostly solved my sleeping issue after many years of trial and error by having a speaker by the bed and then on low volume play a podcast that's interesting enough to listen to but not interesting enough to keep me engaged. This helps me by keeping my mind focused on something unimportant instead of racing around, when I inevitably try to focus on something else it's drowned out by the podcast.
        elliekelly 7y ago
        > then on low volume play a podcast that's interesting enough to listen to but not interesting enough to keep me engaged I tell anyone who will listen about the podcast "Sleep with Me." Scooter is a master of being just-interesting-enough but in a very soothing voice. For all I know he's hypnotizing me every night because I'm always able to fall asleep long before the episode is over.
        cosmie 7y ago
        Music or a podcast like this has always worked really well to solve insomnia issues for me. Unfortunately it led me to discover a new issue - when I fall asleep listening to anything, even on low volume, there's a really good chance I'll sleep through my alarm(s) in the morning. Anyone else ever run into that?
        herniatedeel 7y ago
        One solution might be to set a sleep timer on your podcast app.
superplussed 7y ago
There is a book I'm currently reading that lines up nicely with what is discussed in this study. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007QMZ7Z8/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007QMZ7Z8/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?... The theory laid out is that early childhood trauma gets stored in the body, and that there has to be a bottom-up approach to dealing with the afteraffects of this. A top-down approach that is purely cognitive won't suffice. I'm not yet at the treatment portion of the book, but it seems to exactly line up with this study and might be interesting for you.
- perseusmandate 7y ago
  Have you read The Body Keeps the Score? Extremely well done book that comes to a similar conclusion
  - superplussed 7y ago
    Amazing, hadn't heard of it and will definitely pick it up. Thanks!
- RickS 7y ago
  Picked this up, thanks. I'll give another recommendation for another commenter's suggestion of "the body keeps the score".
- mindgam3 7y ago
  +1 for The Body Keeps the Score. Before reading it, I discovered that a regular sauna practice (alternating cold hot cycles) had major benefits on my trauma symptoms, both developmental and acute PTSD from a near death experience. Then I read the book and was gratified to find this approach studied/explained/validated. These days I recommend it to anyone with mental health concerns, which is basically everyone these days as far as I can tell. This book on developmental trauma looks good as well, thanks for sharing.

magwa101 7y ago

Taking nutritional yeast (B complex) before sleep has helped my brain activity a lot. Better sleep, more lucid dreams, waking in a better mood. 1-2 hours before bed, 1 spoon, still experimenting.

ianai 7y ago
Any luck finding an affordable nutritional yeast without synthetic vitamins? Other than buying bulk.
- tw1010 7y ago
  What's wrong with synthetic vitamins?
  - nf05papsjfVbc 7y ago
    If they are not all water soluble, you might be taking too much of one (or more). This is not always safe.
    - ianai 7y ago
      They can also be downright harmful. Cyanocobalamin molecules must be first broken down and turned into biologically available forms of cobalamin. In the process, a cyanide molecule is released into your liver. It’s not enough to kill you, but it does tax your liver. People report feeling slightly lightheaded and a loss of focus taking cyanocobalamin versus other, more readily available forms.

tw1010 7y ago

The worst part is when you habitually come to rely on this effect for being productive. Then you're hooked and life without it is like traversing the trough of a surface before reaching a greater local maxima.

Emily4737 7y ago

World's biggest cake See the video how they made and how it looks https://howto105.blogspot.com/2019/04/worlds-biggest-ice-cream-cake.html https://howto105.blogspot.com/2019/04/worlds-biggest-ice-cre... Very funny video of 2019 Just watch and try to control your laugh http://bit.ly/2IVEv1j http://bit.ly/2IVEv1j Cute dog walking like humans http://bit.ly/2VpFTQB http://bit.ly/2VpFTQB See the video of Cute dog skateboarding even humans can't do this easily http://bit.ly/2IXS2Wj http://bit.ly/2IXS2Wj World's most highest truck jump Even you can't believe this That's not a movie scene it's real http://bit.ly/2VuUme7 http://bit.ly/2VuUme7 See the video of Cute dog walking at rope Even humans can't do this http://bit.ly/2VupwSQ http://bit.ly/2VupwSQ

swampthinker 7y ago
@dang

Emily4737 7y ago

Love of animals with humans Just see their love Even you will feel amazed https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6eexa2 https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6eexa2 World's biggest truck jump https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x76ptz4 https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x76ptz4 Cute dog doing shopping and lots of other acts like humans https://dai.ly/x76vl8s https://dai.ly/x76vl8s See the video of Fish walking with legs like humans https://dai.ly/x76wkpu https://dai.ly/x76wkpu Twins sisters married with twins brothers See how they are looking together https://dai.ly/x76wkig https://dai.ly/x76wkig Lol very funny dog dance Just try to control your laugh https://dai.ly/x770n1f https://dai.ly/x770n1f