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It's ironic that you're calling non-disposable items garbage. Genuine question, because everyone's life is different, is it really that big a deal? I bring sh

by ploika 7y ago

It's ironic that you're calling non-disposable items garbage. Genuine question, because everyone's life is different, is it really that big a deal? I bring shopping bags with me when I go grocery shopping. They're more comfortable to carry than the disposable plastic ones. Often they just lie in the boot of the car where they don't take up much space. The backpack I bring to work is big enough to fit the handful of things I might buy on the way home. I have a resuable coffee cup and water bottle on my desk at work, and I much prefer them to the disposable versions. Occasionally I buy a bottle of water or a coffee in a disposable cup, but whatever, I've still massively reduced the waste I produce from these things. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

x38iq84n 7y ago
It still is garbage, only some people demanded more resources to be spent on making the items so they can be claimed reusable. In order to follow the movement I would need to carry a backpack of some sort, all the time and all places, or be ready to pay up. I would need to use probably more plastic bags than today, just to prevent spills and contamination from the coffee cups and straws. Gone would be freedom to change plans, leave home with no bags to carry, everything would become pre-planned. All of that for what outcome? Efforts of western countries focusing on cups and straws are a charade with no measurable impact; meanwhile some countries in Asia dump their waste into oceans by tons each minute. Our effort and resources would be better spent helping those countries improve faster, not trying to fix our 0.000001 % share. Most bang for the buck it’s called.
- rorykoehler 7y ago
  I agree re Asia but I don't think it's an either or situation. I also don't like carrying a cup which is why I think there needs to be a german style pfand system for cups. Straws I can live without completely if necessary. Shopping bags the same. Often I just stack the goods up and tuck them under my arm. Regarding the disabled aspect I reckon everyone has to adjust according to their circumstances whoever they are. The whole system shouldn't change to accommodate edge cases that can be accommodated in another acceptable way. I.E. of course you need to install elevators and ramps everywhere because there is no other acceptable solution but straws... I think that requires a bit of flexibility and effort on the part of the disabled to work with the constraints of the system for the sake of improving the planet.
  - x38iq84n 7y ago
    > everyone has to adjust according to their circumstances whoever they are The level of your arrogance is astonishing. There is this group of people called the old people. Not disabled, just old with degraded fine motorics, weaker grip, shaky hands and a quivering jaw. Give them a metal or bamboo straw and they'll chew their teeth out. Remove plastic straws completely or make them at a hefty fee and you just made their life another bit harder. > The whole system shouldn't change to accommodate edge cases that can be accommodated in another acceptable way. I agree with you there. We already have waste collection and recycling programs, so there is no need to change the system by inventing pfand system for cups or banning plastics in some shapes and forms. Once again, while you were focusing on straws worth of grams of plastic, others dumped tons of plastic into the wild. You are completely missing the point of the bigger picture and no effort on your side will make measurable impact, not to nature anyway.

by ploika 7y ago

x38iq84n 7y ago

It still is garbage, only some people demanded more resources to be spent on making the items so they can be claimed reusable. In order to follow the movement I would need to carry a backpack of some sort, all the time and all places, or be ready to pay up. I would need to use probably more plastic bags than today, just to prevent spills and contamination from the coffee cups and straws. Gone would be freedom to change plans, leave home with no bags to carry, everything would become pre-planned. All of that for what outcome? Efforts of western countries focusing on cups and straws are a charade with no measurable impact; meanwhile some countries in Asia dump their waste into oceans by tons each minute. Our effort and resources would be better spent helping those countries improve faster, not trying to fix our 0.000001 % share. Most bang for the buck it’s called.

rorykoehler 7y ago
I agree re Asia but I don't think it's an either or situation. I also don't like carrying a cup which is why I think there needs to be a german style pfand system for cups. Straws I can live without completely if necessary. Shopping bags the same. Often I just stack the goods up and tuck them under my arm. Regarding the disabled aspect I reckon everyone has to adjust according to their circumstances whoever they are. The whole system shouldn't change to accommodate edge cases that can be accommodated in another acceptable way. I.E. of course you need to install elevators and ramps everywhere because there is no other acceptable solution but straws... I think that requires a bit of flexibility and effort on the part of the disabled to work with the constraints of the system for the sake of improving the planet.
- x38iq84n 7y ago
  > everyone has to adjust according to their circumstances whoever they are The level of your arrogance is astonishing. There is this group of people called the old people. Not disabled, just old with degraded fine motorics, weaker grip, shaky hands and a quivering jaw. Give them a metal or bamboo straw and they'll chew their teeth out. Remove plastic straws completely or make them at a hefty fee and you just made their life another bit harder. > The whole system shouldn't change to accommodate edge cases that can be accommodated in another acceptable way. I agree with you there. We already have waste collection and recycling programs, so there is no need to change the system by inventing pfand system for cups or banning plastics in some shapes and forms. Once again, while you were focusing on straws worth of grams of plastic, others dumped tons of plastic into the wild. You are completely missing the point of the bigger picture and no effort on your side will make measurable impact, not to nature anyway.