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> I'm guessing that you two are having a communication problem as it is highly unlikely that a "senior colleague" can't understand simple logic. My former lead

> I'm guessing that you two are having a communication problem as it is highly unlikely that a "senior colleague" can't understand simple logic. My former lead got promoted to his position because he was literally the only guy who knew the language they wanted to use. He knew very little about the language and technology but took to the position because he obviously likes status. The end result is him having "7+ years of experience with <pretty obscure language>", but he didn't even know some of the basics of it. On top of that he has this unfortunate defect/defense mechanism where anything he doesn't understand is automatically bad; even things that anyone versed in the domain would say are better than his homegrown solutions. You end up noticing this a lot, because there is a disproportionate amount of things he doesn't understand. To put this into perspective: His solutions always involved some kind of raw string interpolation for SQL, even though there were plenty of flexible, good libraries that could safely abstract away issues with SQL query handling. If you asked him about it he'd say it "was hard to use" or some other useless thing. I stopped working with him even before he left our company and even after we've parted ways I hear stories through the grapevine about people who thought he was a great, experienced developer and how they worked on a project with him and saw the truth. Sometimes, people really just are garbage developers who somehow skated through on merits they didn't have.

happppy 8y ago
same thing here. Today he asked me 'explain this logic' (It was a simple timeout logic for angularjs, pretty obvious if you can google the keyword) but he was literally stuck on it for hours and then asked me to come and explain this logic and what is it doing. He had to add a check around it to make it work for specific function, it's not like I don't like him or anything like that, I like him as a colleague but I am a bit hesitant to work with him because I think he is not very competent and when he do not understands anything, he will simply complain to my manager that its my fault and my manager, being his friend, will listen to him.
- laumars 8y ago
  He might be threatened by yourself. Remember that technology moves at a fast pace - particularly with front end web development - so the bread and butter skills he learned might have been deprecated with the tools that you now consider to be bread and butter. In which case he might still be capable but feeling insecure and just needs some patience and handholding. So the best thing to do in those situations is exactly that - show a little patience. Work with him. In time you will either earn his respect (remember it does have to work both ways) or in the worst case you'd have gained enough experience handling him that you'd be ready to progress to your next role as a senior engineer. Perhaps even both. Plus in the process he might even surprise you by demonstrating that he's not so useless after all and in fact his blindspots aren't an inability to grasp simple logic but rather just gaps in knowledge for one specific framework amongst a wealthier repertoire of skills that you are yet to discover. This is a little like the problems hiring managers face when trying to separate out those who are confident but lack skill and those who are confident because they are skilled. Or even telling apart people who are confident because they think they know what they're doing from those who do know. So maybe think about this as improving your none-technical career building skills?
- cgio 8y ago
  Why would it be your fault? Is his assignment to understand what you’re doing? If yes it sounds like you hesitate to play your role in this relationship. Is his role to work with you on a codebase new to him? Similarly you need to help him no matter his seniority. I Know sometimes having people lifting the veil of your code can be intimidating but if I were your manager that would be my first suspicion if I heard complaints in the context of the relationships outlined above, i.e. that you have concerns about the quality of your work. I might be wrong, but this is an anecdotal perspective to keep in mind before you escalate.
- arebours 8y ago
  > Today he asked me 'explain this logic' (It was a simple timeout logic for angularjs, pretty obvious if you can google the keyword) but he was literally stuck on it for hours and then asked me to come and explain this logic and what is it doing. Lately I started to review much more code than I write. And what I can tell you is that is very easy to fall into the trap of thinking that something is obvious when you spend a lot of time within specific domain, codebase, or technology. If someone can't immediately tell what some straight piece of code does it usually says the code could be simpler or more idiomatic rather then they are ignorant. While I'm not necessarily saying something's wrong with your code I wouldn't assume he's in the wrong or that he's stupid. Besides I think it's pretty normal to ask authors about their code when you work with it. > I am a bit hesitant to work with him because I think he is not very competent and when he do not understands anything, he will simply complain to my manager that its my fault and my manager, being his friend, will listen to him. Has it ever happened? Don't overthink it, just do your job and provide help to colleagues when needed.
  - smileysteve 8y ago
    > Lately I started to review much more code than I write. And what I can tell you is that is very easy to fall into the trap of thinking that something is obvious when you spend a lot of time within specific domain, codebase, or technology. If someone can't immediately tell what some straight piece of code does it usually says the code could be simpler or more idiomatic rather then they are ignorant. I want to emphasize that this is senior level thinking. Code needs to be able to be understood by not only the best and worst on your current team, but also for the engineers you hire in X years that may not ask the right questions to the correct people or when the people who wrote it are no longer there.

happppy 8y ago

same thing here. Today he asked me 'explain this logic' (It was a simple timeout logic for angularjs, pretty obvious if you can google the keyword) but he was literally stuck on it for hours and then asked me to come and explain this logic and what is it doing. He had to add a check around it to make it work for specific function, it's not like I don't like him or anything like that, I like him as a colleague but I am a bit hesitant to work with him because I think he is not very competent and when he do not understands anything, he will simply complain to my manager that its my fault and my manager, being his friend, will listen to him.

laumars 8y ago
He might be threatened by yourself. Remember that technology moves at a fast pace - particularly with front end web development - so the bread and butter skills he learned might have been deprecated with the tools that you now consider to be bread and butter. In which case he might still be capable but feeling insecure and just needs some patience and handholding. So the best thing to do in those situations is exactly that - show a little patience. Work with him. In time you will either earn his respect (remember it does have to work both ways) or in the worst case you'd have gained enough experience handling him that you'd be ready to progress to your next role as a senior engineer. Perhaps even both. Plus in the process he might even surprise you by demonstrating that he's not so useless after all and in fact his blindspots aren't an inability to grasp simple logic but rather just gaps in knowledge for one specific framework amongst a wealthier repertoire of skills that you are yet to discover. This is a little like the problems hiring managers face when trying to separate out those who are confident but lack skill and those who are confident because they are skilled. Or even telling apart people who are confident because they think they know what they're doing from those who do know. So maybe think about this as improving your none-technical career building skills?
cgio 8y ago
Why would it be your fault? Is his assignment to understand what you’re doing? If yes it sounds like you hesitate to play your role in this relationship. Is his role to work with you on a codebase new to him? Similarly you need to help him no matter his seniority. I Know sometimes having people lifting the veil of your code can be intimidating but if I were your manager that would be my first suspicion if I heard complaints in the context of the relationships outlined above, i.e. that you have concerns about the quality of your work. I might be wrong, but this is an anecdotal perspective to keep in mind before you escalate.
arebours 8y ago
> Today he asked me 'explain this logic' (It was a simple timeout logic for angularjs, pretty obvious if you can google the keyword) but he was literally stuck on it for hours and then asked me to come and explain this logic and what is it doing. Lately I started to review much more code than I write. And what I can tell you is that is very easy to fall into the trap of thinking that something is obvious when you spend a lot of time within specific domain, codebase, or technology. If someone can't immediately tell what some straight piece of code does it usually says the code could be simpler or more idiomatic rather then they are ignorant. While I'm not necessarily saying something's wrong with your code I wouldn't assume he's in the wrong or that he's stupid. Besides I think it's pretty normal to ask authors about their code when you work with it. > I am a bit hesitant to work with him because I think he is not very competent and when he do not understands anything, he will simply complain to my manager that its my fault and my manager, being his friend, will listen to him. Has it ever happened? Don't overthink it, just do your job and provide help to colleagues when needed.
- smileysteve 8y ago
  > Lately I started to review much more code than I write. And what I can tell you is that is very easy to fall into the trap of thinking that something is obvious when you spend a lot of time within specific domain, codebase, or technology. If someone can't immediately tell what some straight piece of code does it usually says the code could be simpler or more idiomatic rather then they are ignorant. I want to emphasize that this is senior level thinking. Code needs to be able to be understood by not only the best and worst on your current team, but also for the engineers you hire in X years that may not ask the right questions to the correct people or when the people who wrote it are no longer there.