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Then put a $50 filter at the tap and you're good for probably $25,000 of bottled water. It's marketing that drives the preference. That's why most chronic bott

Then put a $50 filter at the tap and you're good for probably $25,000 of bottled water. It's marketing that drives the preference. That's why most chronic bottled water drinkers I know surround their life with other bullshit irrelevant products. It's the same mechanics

bubblewrap 8y ago
Filters seem like a lot of hassle, though. You have to keep them clean and exchange them on a regular basis. I don't really trust that solution.
- fifnir 8y ago
  So what's another plastic bottle in the dump right? Someone will figure it out, as long as you don't need to deal with the hassle
  - bubblewrap 8y ago
    In my country, plastic bottles have returnable deposits, so they tend to not end in the dump. There are also glass bottles available. That said, I think plastic can be OK if it is trashed adequately. I don't think my plastic bottles end up in the oceans.
    - fifnir 8y ago
      Even if it gets recycled, it's not free. Raw materials need to be collected, processed, and transfered. The bottle-quality plastic has to be created and transfeed to the bottle making factory. The bottles transfered again potentially, filled with water, wrapped in more plastic, transfered again.... all that before recycling.
      - bubblewrap 8y ago
        Filters are also not free.
        kristopolous 8y ago
        Sure we aren't at zero yet. But dropping the ecological footprint by 99% is a good first step.
- kristopolous 8y ago
  Many under-sink filtration systems last at least 10,000 gallons. They take 5 minutes max to replace. Are you saying that 5 minute task every few years is more work then manually lugging 10,000 gallons of water through say, 10,000 separate containers, carrying each one, opening them manually each time, tipping and pouring them, then discarding them? (that's the weight of about 25 cars) Not to be rude but I don't believe you.
  - bubblewrap 8y ago
    The problem is not the 5 minutes, it is to remember doing it. Because if you don't remember it, you might get sick from bacteria growing in the filter.
    - Raidion 8y ago
      Ask your favorite personal digital assistant to set a reminder and then swap it out using all the time you save not lugging bottled water home from the store.
      - bubblewrap 8y ago
        Actually, I simply use unfiltered tap water. As for the reminder - I think in reality, it often isn't done. A reminder isn't a guarantee for it being done. As it stands, I have trouble to descale the washing machine every six months. I know that the simple table based filters (a can with a filter to filter 1 liter of water) are often not exchanged frequently enough. Why introduce that risk unnecessarily?
  - vonmoltke 8y ago
    > Many under-sink filtration systems last at least 10,000 gallons. Every filtration system I have owned needs to have the cartridges replaced every six months. What system has multi-year cartridges?
    - zrobotics 8y ago
      Not multi-year, but my mother has a culligan reverse-osmosis system (their tap water tastes horrible). There are three filters, the first two get replaced yearly, the RO membrane filter lasts 3 years. Tastes indistinguishable from filtered bottled water.
- navigatesol 8y ago
  >I don't really trust that solution. What other-worldly solution do you think the bottling companies are using?
  - bubblewrap 8y ago
    I think they at least professionally manage the hygiene in their factories. They pay cleaners to clean stuff and exchange filters on a regular schedule.
xorfish 8y ago
How do you spend $25'000 on bottled water? Where I'm from it costs 16.5 cents per liter. That includes a 2 cent tax for recycling the PET Bottle. $25'000 is more than you need in several lifetimes. But then again, tab water here is excellent and also cool. So I don't see a reason why I should transport bottled water. It is much more convenient and cheaper.
- kristopolous 8y ago
  There's not very expensive filtration systems rated for 100,000 gallons. The standard kirkland bottled water you see in the US in the standard 80 unit packs would run you $195,000 for that. Municipal water would be about $1,500 for that + $150 filter. It's a 99.2% cheaper option. Oh right and the 1.6 million water bottles you'd not have produced, right.
- maccard 8y ago
  > How do you spend $25'000 on bottled water? Where I'm from it costs 16.5 cents per liter. That includes a 2 cent tax for recycling the PET Bottle. Many people drinking bottled water aren't drinking the cheapest in the supermarket - the recycling bin outside my flat is regularly filled with 1.5l evian bottles - they're £1 each in the local shop. At one bottle a day, that's ~35 person-years. Not common, but not insane. However, my office has 17 people on my floor. If everyone here drank one bottle of it a day, we'd hit it in 2 years.
  - vonmoltke 8y ago
    > Many people drinking bottled water aren't drinking the cheapest in the supermarket - the recycling bin outside my flat is regularly filled with 1.5l evian bottles - they're £1 each in the local shop. At one bottle a day, that's ~35 person-years. Not common, but not insane. Even given expensive name brand water, a $50 filter cartridge only lasts for six months. That's $3150 for the same period. $50 replacing $25,000 is not grounded in reality.

bubblewrap 8y ago

Filters seem like a lot of hassle, though. You have to keep them clean and exchange them on a regular basis. I don't really trust that solution.

fifnir 8y ago
So what's another plastic bottle in the dump right? Someone will figure it out, as long as you don't need to deal with the hassle
- bubblewrap 8y ago
  In my country, plastic bottles have returnable deposits, so they tend to not end in the dump. There are also glass bottles available. That said, I think plastic can be OK if it is trashed adequately. I don't think my plastic bottles end up in the oceans.
  - fifnir 8y ago
    Even if it gets recycled, it's not free. Raw materials need to be collected, processed, and transfered. The bottle-quality plastic has to be created and transfeed to the bottle making factory. The bottles transfered again potentially, filled with water, wrapped in more plastic, transfered again.... all that before recycling.
    - bubblewrap 8y ago
      Filters are also not free.
      - kristopolous 8y ago
        Sure we aren't at zero yet. But dropping the ecological footprint by 99% is a good first step.
kristopolous 8y ago
Many under-sink filtration systems last at least 10,000 gallons. They take 5 minutes max to replace. Are you saying that 5 minute task every few years is more work then manually lugging 10,000 gallons of water through say, 10,000 separate containers, carrying each one, opening them manually each time, tipping and pouring them, then discarding them? (that's the weight of about 25 cars) Not to be rude but I don't believe you.
- bubblewrap 8y ago
  The problem is not the 5 minutes, it is to remember doing it. Because if you don't remember it, you might get sick from bacteria growing in the filter.
  - Raidion 8y ago
    Ask your favorite personal digital assistant to set a reminder and then swap it out using all the time you save not lugging bottled water home from the store.
    - bubblewrap 8y ago
      Actually, I simply use unfiltered tap water. As for the reminder - I think in reality, it often isn't done. A reminder isn't a guarantee for it being done. As it stands, I have trouble to descale the washing machine every six months. I know that the simple table based filters (a can with a filter to filter 1 liter of water) are often not exchanged frequently enough. Why introduce that risk unnecessarily?
- vonmoltke 8y ago
  > Many under-sink filtration systems last at least 10,000 gallons. Every filtration system I have owned needs to have the cartridges replaced every six months. What system has multi-year cartridges?
  - zrobotics 8y ago
    Not multi-year, but my mother has a culligan reverse-osmosis system (their tap water tastes horrible). There are three filters, the first two get replaced yearly, the RO membrane filter lasts 3 years. Tastes indistinguishable from filtered bottled water.
navigatesol 8y ago
>I don't really trust that solution. What other-worldly solution do you think the bottling companies are using?
- bubblewrap 8y ago
  I think they at least professionally manage the hygiene in their factories. They pay cleaners to clean stuff and exchange filters on a regular schedule.

xorfish 8y ago

How do you spend $25'000 on bottled water? Where I'm from it costs 16.5 cents per liter. That includes a 2 cent tax for recycling the PET Bottle. $25'000 is more than you need in several lifetimes. But then again, tab water here is excellent and also cool. So I don't see a reason why I should transport bottled water. It is much more convenient and cheaper.

kristopolous 8y ago
There's not very expensive filtration systems rated for 100,000 gallons. The standard kirkland bottled water you see in the US in the standard 80 unit packs would run you $195,000 for that. Municipal water would be about $1,500 for that + $150 filter. It's a 99.2% cheaper option. Oh right and the 1.6 million water bottles you'd not have produced, right.
maccard 8y ago
> How do you spend $25'000 on bottled water? Where I'm from it costs 16.5 cents per liter. That includes a 2 cent tax for recycling the PET Bottle. Many people drinking bottled water aren't drinking the cheapest in the supermarket - the recycling bin outside my flat is regularly filled with 1.5l evian bottles - they're £1 each in the local shop. At one bottle a day, that's ~35 person-years. Not common, but not insane. However, my office has 17 people on my floor. If everyone here drank one bottle of it a day, we'd hit it in 2 years.
- vonmoltke 8y ago
  > Many people drinking bottled water aren't drinking the cheapest in the supermarket - the recycling bin outside my flat is regularly filled with 1.5l evian bottles - they're £1 each in the local shop. At one bottle a day, that's ~35 person-years. Not common, but not insane. Even given expensive name brand water, a $50 filter cartridge only lasts for six months. That's $3150 for the same period. $50 replacing $25,000 is not grounded in reality.