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One big difference between the film and music industries is that film content is much much more expensive to produce. So I don't think we're going to see a comp

One big difference between the film and music industries is that film content is much much more expensive to produce. So I don't think we're going to see a comprehensive $10/month service any time soon. Even as cheap as music is to produce now it doesn't seem possible to make a profit with prices that low.

rorykoehler 8y ago
There is only so much content one can watch so it makes the point a bit moot. This is about greed. This is about wanting to squeeze every last penny. There is no reason for regional or even non-standard inter-company licensing apart from trying to squeeze the market dry.
mojuba 8y ago
It is true that films are more expensive to produce, however: (a) there are fewer films produced every year than music albums, and therefore the revenue can be shared among fewer producers, (b) most expensive films are released to theatres first and many reach break-even during this period, and (c) a comprehensive film streaming service can easily be more expensive than a music one, say $20/mo or more.
- Mindwipe 8y ago
  > (a) there are fewer films produced every year than music albums, and therefore the revenue can be shared among fewer producers, But there are probably more films and television shows produced than music albums. Not sure why you've focused on films here, because films aren't the market.
  - mojuba 8y ago
    There's definitely more music produced in the world than films. This is due to the fact that music is so much more accessible, cheaper and easier to produce. Just look at the electronic music genre: today it takes one musician, a computer and a few days to weeks to make a professional sounding track. There are of course slightly more expensive genres like indie rock, ethno, then there's classical that require a whole band of musicians and a studio. Still nowhere near what a typical full-feature film production process involves.
    - rorykoehler 8y ago
      Some talented musicians I know can make a track in a morning. That includes all the polish.
      - mojuba 8y ago
        I know, but it really depends on the style. I'd say low-effort art is usually less interesting and not so unique.
        rorykoehler 8y ago
        Who said anything about low effort? One person I'm referring to in particular is a well respected artist with a global fanbase.
        mojuba 8y ago
        The thing with tracks made "in a morning" (and that's exactly what low-effort means) is that most of the time it's a variation of something that worked well once in the past, and you can sell more of the same. There's little innovation in this type of art.
        rorykoehler 8y ago
        That's not necessarily how composition and creation works after you master your tools. In fact often the faster a song is completed the better it is as it's about capturing the original idea as purely as possible. Did you ever have a dream you wish you could remember? It's a bit like this. The composition and production are fully formed in an instant and it is a race against the shortcomings of the human memory/mind to capture them as quickly as possible. FWIW I used to produce music, also professionally for a time (including one major label release), and what I described above was always the holy grail that I was chasing. Quality deteriorates the further you get from the initial energy of the spark. Also I don't mean to say the above is the only way to create. The same artist likes to spend months listening to records to get inspiration the perfect sound for each instrument for other projects (which is ironically closer to the derivative works you described).

rorykoehler 8y ago

There is only so much content one can watch so it makes the point a bit moot. This is about greed. This is about wanting to squeeze every last penny. There is no reason for regional or even non-standard inter-company licensing apart from trying to squeeze the market dry.

mojuba 8y ago

It is true that films are more expensive to produce, however: (a) there are fewer films produced every year than music albums, and therefore the revenue can be shared among fewer producers, (b) most expensive films are released to theatres first and many reach break-even during this period, and (c) a comprehensive film streaming service can easily be more expensive than a music one, say $20/mo or more.

Mindwipe 8y ago
> (a) there are fewer films produced every year than music albums, and therefore the revenue can be shared among fewer producers, But there are probably more films and television shows produced than music albums. Not sure why you've focused on films here, because films aren't the market.
- mojuba 8y ago
  There's definitely more music produced in the world than films. This is due to the fact that music is so much more accessible, cheaper and easier to produce. Just look at the electronic music genre: today it takes one musician, a computer and a few days to weeks to make a professional sounding track. There are of course slightly more expensive genres like indie rock, ethno, then there's classical that require a whole band of musicians and a studio. Still nowhere near what a typical full-feature film production process involves.
  - rorykoehler 8y ago
    Some talented musicians I know can make a track in a morning. That includes all the polish.
    - mojuba 8y ago
      I know, but it really depends on the style. I'd say low-effort art is usually less interesting and not so unique.
      - rorykoehler 8y ago
        Who said anything about low effort? One person I'm referring to in particular is a well respected artist with a global fanbase.
        mojuba 8y ago
        The thing with tracks made "in a morning" (and that's exactly what low-effort means) is that most of the time it's a variation of something that worked well once in the past, and you can sell more of the same. There's little innovation in this type of art.
        rorykoehler 8y ago
        That's not necessarily how composition and creation works after you master your tools. In fact often the faster a song is completed the better it is as it's about capturing the original idea as purely as possible. Did you ever have a dream you wish you could remember? It's a bit like this. The composition and production are fully formed in an instant and it is a race against the shortcomings of the human memory/mind to capture them as quickly as possible. FWIW I used to produce music, also professionally for a time (including one major label release), and what I described above was always the holy grail that I was chasing. Quality deteriorates the further you get from the initial energy of the spark. Also I don't mean to say the above is the only way to create. The same artist likes to spend months listening to records to get inspiration the perfect sound for each instrument for other projects (which is ironically closer to the derivative works you described).