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> And then you open an app that’s neither GTK+ nor Qt, and you’re back to square one. The same is true on every OS, if you open a java app on macos it's not go

by flukus 8y ago

> And then you open an app that’s neither GTK+ nor Qt, and you’re back to square one. The same is true on every OS, if you open a java app on macos it's not going to look right, do you blame apple for that or the developers of the app? > In some apps. Firefox didn’t respect it and wanted its own setting iirc. Will firefox respect it on macos? It's not a good example anyway because firefox is not native, firefox is the electron of the 00's. Even when firefox tries to emulate the native theme it screws up, I had to turn off my dark theme just to get text areas with visible text.

sjwright 8y ago
All are exceptions that prove the rule.
msbarnett 8y ago
> The same is true on every OS, if you open a java app on macos it's not going to look right, do you blame apple for that or the developers of the app? I’d blame the app, because in the case of OS X there is a single consistent set of UI components that effectively everything uses, and being gratuitously incompatible is on the app. In the case of Linux there is only a hodge-podge bazaar of gratuitously incompatible UI kits that every third app disagrees on which to use, so it’s hard to blame any single dev for the universally frustrating shitshow that results. As an aside, the only java app I’ve interacted with in years (seriously, how often do these even come up any more?), IntelliJ, actually sunk the effort into looking and feeling right. Like I said, it’s night and day on this stuff versus what I experience in Linux on the regular. > Will firefox respect it on macos? Yes. > It's not a good example anyway because firefox is not native, firefox is the electron of the 00's Electron apps also get this 100% right on OS X.
- michaelmrose 8y ago
  There are really mostly 2. Gtk and QT and themed with similar themes they aren't different enough to be too meaningful.
- michaelmrose 8y ago
  Jetbrains had over a quarter of a million paying users in 2017. I'm not sure how much the average paying user spends but presumably they make somewhere between 37M and 125M gross. More money means more polish. Logically we need to invest in what is important to us.

by flukus 8y ago

sjwright 8y ago

All are exceptions that prove the rule.

msbarnett 8y ago

> The same is true on every OS, if you open a java app on macos it's not going to look right, do you blame apple for that or the developers of the app? I’d blame the app, because in the case of OS X there is a single consistent set of UI components that effectively everything uses, and being gratuitously incompatible is on the app. In the case of Linux there is only a hodge-podge bazaar of gratuitously incompatible UI kits that every third app disagrees on which to use, so it’s hard to blame any single dev for the universally frustrating shitshow that results. As an aside, the only java app I’ve interacted with in years (seriously, how often do these even come up any more?), IntelliJ, actually sunk the effort into looking and feeling right. Like I said, it’s night and day on this stuff versus what I experience in Linux on the regular. > Will firefox respect it on macos? Yes. > It's not a good example anyway because firefox is not native, firefox is the electron of the 00's Electron apps also get this 100% right on OS X.

michaelmrose 8y ago
There are really mostly 2. Gtk and QT and themed with similar themes they aren't different enough to be too meaningful.
michaelmrose 8y ago
Jetbrains had over a quarter of a million paying users in 2017. I'm not sure how much the average paying user spends but presumably they make somewhere between 37M and 125M gross. More money means more polish. Logically we need to invest in what is important to us.