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You shouldn’t be downvoted for this, you’re absolutely correct about bringing your own cups.

by SllX 8y ago

tptacek 8y ago
Thanks! A bit of friendly advice: voting on HN is a stochastic process, and by the time I saw this comment, it had already been upvoted many times. This is one of the reasons the guidelines ask not to comment on voting (but not the most important reason). I have trouble with this too! A sort-of-obvious trick: instead of discussing whether something should be downvoted, say you upvoted it and why. "I upvoted this, because every cafe I've visited fills third party cups too" says the same thing without litigating the vote, and also emphasizes the new information you're adding. SNOOT MODE OFF!
- SllX 8y ago
  Once again, you are absolutely right. I just reviewed the guidelines again, but thank you for the reminder.
- pg_bot 8y ago
  I would be wary of selection bias in the people who already use reusable containers. They might be more diligent in their sanitation than a larger population would be. Anyone in the food service business that is good, cares deeply about health inspections. I can foresee some problems with the plan. For example, you might get higher turnover because staff members are sick of cleaning dirty cups. It might take longer to serve each customer which would usually leads to less business. People who aren't aware that they need to bring a cup might leave empty handed and never return. It might be easy to do the occasional mug, but at lunch rush with a line of people it may be a different story. I would be highly interested in seeing the results of an experiment where a shop only used reusable cups. I think it might surface problems that you might not think of. Not to say that it couldn't be solvable.
  - pvg 8y ago
    Back under Advanced Socialism, we had public soda machines with public glasses which you had to wash yourself at the machine. We did not die out of glass-borne communicable diseases. I don't think the hygiene (or cup management) problem is quite as severe as you suspect it is. https://i.imgur.com/TIhqyIh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/TIhqyIh.jpg
    - pg_bot 8y ago
      Lest you think I'm some sort of madman, I suspect the hygiene problem is quite mild. But speaking as someone who has washed dishes for a living, people can be quite disgusting with their food and that does get to you. Having an attitude where you say "why don't they just do this" is typically not helpful. People are smart, they probably have already considered your solutions. If someone doesn't do something the way you think it should be done it doesn't make them stupid. Trying to figure out what you are missing when a solution seems obvious is a helpful way to see the world.
    - gleb 8y ago
      Die no, but everybody had an H. pylori infection

You shouldn’t be downvoted for this, you’re absolutely correct about bringing your own cups.

by SllX 8y ago

You shouldn’t be downvoted for this, you’re absolutely correct about bringing your own cups.

Thanks! A bit of friendly advice: voting on HN is a stochastic process, and by the time I saw this comment, it had already been upvoted many times. This is one of the reasons the guidelines ask not to comment on voting (but not the most important reason). I have trouble with this too! A sort-of-obvious trick: instead of discussing whether something should be downvoted, say you upvoted it and why. "I upvoted this, because every cafe I've visited fills third party cups too" says the same thing without litigating the vote, and also emphasizes the new information you're adding. SNOOT MODE OFF!

SllX 8y ago
Once again, you are absolutely right. I just reviewed the guidelines again, but thank you for the reminder.
pg_bot 8y ago
I would be wary of selection bias in the people who already use reusable containers. They might be more diligent in their sanitation than a larger population would be. Anyone in the food service business that is good, cares deeply about health inspections. I can foresee some problems with the plan. For example, you might get higher turnover because staff members are sick of cleaning dirty cups. It might take longer to serve each customer which would usually leads to less business. People who aren't aware that they need to bring a cup might leave empty handed and never return. It might be easy to do the occasional mug, but at lunch rush with a line of people it may be a different story. I would be highly interested in seeing the results of an experiment where a shop only used reusable cups. I think it might surface problems that you might not think of. Not to say that it couldn't be solvable.
- pvg 8y ago
  Back under Advanced Socialism, we had public soda machines with public glasses which you had to wash yourself at the machine. We did not die out of glass-borne communicable diseases. I don't think the hygiene (or cup management) problem is quite as severe as you suspect it is. https://i.imgur.com/TIhqyIh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/TIhqyIh.jpg
  - pg_bot 8y ago
    Lest you think I'm some sort of madman, I suspect the hygiene problem is quite mild. But speaking as someone who has washed dishes for a living, people can be quite disgusting with their food and that does get to you. Having an attitude where you say "why don't they just do this" is typically not helpful. People are smart, they probably have already considered your solutions. If someone doesn't do something the way you think it should be done it doesn't make them stupid. Trying to figure out what you are missing when a solution seems obvious is a helpful way to see the world.
  - gleb 8y ago
    Die no, but everybody had an H. pylori infection