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This is great and all, but this guy flagrantly broke the law many times and no one did anything. Do I need to have the New York Times publish an article if som

by j_baker 16y ago

This is great and all, but this guy flagrantly broke the law many times and no one did anything. Do I need to have the New York Times publish an article if someone does something like this to me?

zaidf 16y ago
To prove your logic faulty, you just have to look at all the arrests for similar crimes where there was no NYT or any news article.
- j_baker 16y ago
  Right. So my logic is faulty based on arrests that weren't reported, are unverifiable, and as far as I know don't exist? Ok. I say your logic is faulty based on twice as many imaginary crimes where no arrest was made because there was no news article.
  - zaidf 16y ago
    So my logic is faulty based on arrests that weren't reported, are unverifiable, and as far as I know don't exist? Yep, it's faulty because you're assuming that just because you're not aware of something, that something doesn't exist. It may or may not exist. In this case, I feel it's a reasonable assumption that there have been e-commerce related arrests that didn't make it in the media simply because they are no longer novel or newsworthy. It counters your suggestion that in order to get a similar arrest you must first be featured in a major publication. I disagree. Example: People get busted on ebay all the time; only a small percentage of it gets reported somewhere and even a smaller percentage makes it to any big media. You can do a search on sites that archive court records to see volume of such arrests.
    - j_baker 16y ago
      Ok, I see what you're getting at and I agree. My point was that this should have been one of those cases. It should have been stopped when it was just a petty criminal being an ass and not a national issue. I mean this guy was willing to talk about his case to the New York Times. He couldn't have been that good at doing this.
guelo 16y ago
There's a bigger deterrent value when an arrest is made in a high-profile case.
- boredguy8 16y ago
  I don't know, it seems like the opposite effect is in place: "Just don't go overboard and you'll be OK. And don't brag about it to the times: apologize and say you're working to improve her experience, and you get even better coverage. But the odds are still that you won't get caught in the first place."
- j_baker 16y ago
  Fair enough, but still. Don't you think it's a bit odd that they just happened to magically come up with enough evidence to arrest him a little bit more than a week after the article? To me, that says that at some point the police could have stopped him from gaining more victims instead of acting after it became an embarrassment.
tres 16y ago
He has been arrested before for how he treated his customers & the only outcome was that he didn't violent threats against customers anymore; he chose his words more carefully. It didn't even slow him down.

by j_baker 16y ago

This is great and all, but this guy flagrantly broke the law many times and no one did anything. Do I need to have the New York Times publish an article if someone does something like this to me?

zaidf 16y ago

To prove your logic faulty, you just have to look at all the arrests for similar crimes where there was no NYT or any news article.

j_baker 16y ago
Right. So my logic is faulty based on arrests that weren't reported, are unverifiable, and as far as I know don't exist? Ok. I say your logic is faulty based on twice as many imaginary crimes where no arrest was made because there was no news article.
- zaidf 16y ago
  So my logic is faulty based on arrests that weren't reported, are unverifiable, and as far as I know don't exist? Yep, it's faulty because you're assuming that just because you're not aware of something, that something doesn't exist. It may or may not exist. In this case, I feel it's a reasonable assumption that there have been e-commerce related arrests that didn't make it in the media simply because they are no longer novel or newsworthy. It counters your suggestion that in order to get a similar arrest you must first be featured in a major publication. I disagree. Example: People get busted on ebay all the time; only a small percentage of it gets reported somewhere and even a smaller percentage makes it to any big media. You can do a search on sites that archive court records to see volume of such arrests.
  - j_baker 16y ago
    Ok, I see what you're getting at and I agree. My point was that this should have been one of those cases. It should have been stopped when it was just a petty criminal being an ass and not a national issue. I mean this guy was willing to talk about his case to the New York Times. He couldn't have been that good at doing this.

guelo 16y ago

There's a bigger deterrent value when an arrest is made in a high-profile case.

boredguy8 16y ago
I don't know, it seems like the opposite effect is in place: "Just don't go overboard and you'll be OK. And don't brag about it to the times: apologize and say you're working to improve her experience, and you get even better coverage. But the odds are still that you won't get caught in the first place."
j_baker 16y ago
Fair enough, but still. Don't you think it's a bit odd that they just happened to magically come up with enough evidence to arrest him a little bit more than a week after the article? To me, that says that at some point the police could have stopped him from gaining more victims instead of acting after it became an embarrassment.

tres 16y ago

He has been arrested before for how he treated his customers & the only outcome was that he didn't violent threats against customers anymore; he chose his words more carefully. It didn't even slow him down.