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So you think women die less often from suicide because because they are less competent at executing it? That seems very unlikely to me. While I am open to the i
by bubblewrap 7y ago
So you think women die less often from suicide because because they are less competent at executing it? That seems very unlikely to me. While I am open to the idea that different sexes might be better or worse at certain things, suicide seems simple enough to be mastered by both men and women.
- DanBC 7y ago> because they are less competent at executing it? No, I don't think that at all.
- bubblewrap 7y agoThen why do you expect women will start using more effective methods? Why are they not using them now?
- DanBC 7y ago> Then why do you expect women will start using more effective methods? Because we are seeing the beginnings of method substitution in the data, especially for older women. > Why are they not using them now? We don't know, which is why it's a complex phenomenom. We can make guesses. We can guess that women find it easier to access support than men, that women are less isolated than men and so more likely to be found after an attempt, that the elements of contagion around suicide and self-harm prime men and women differently so they use different methods. Research is tricky and we don't have much.
- DanBC 7y agoSo, if anyone is feeling robust enough someone in England is currently live-tweeting an inquest about a young woman who died by suicide. It describes the huge amount of services around that person trying to keep her safe. https://twitter.com/SashaInquest https://twitter.com/SashaInquest Twitter isn't a great format for this. The coroner introduces the jury to the court and describes what their role is: https://twitter.com/SashaInquest/status/1122801091794677761 https://twitter.com/SashaInquest/status/1122801091794677761 Here's the coroner introducing the case: https://twitter.com/SashaInquest/status/1122810288682803201 https://twitter.com/SashaInquest/status/1122810288682803201 Here's the chronology of events: https://twitter.com/SashaInquest/status/1122816136586899456 https://twitter.com/SashaInquest/status/1122816136586899456
- Nasrudith 7y agoI could see that being possible as gender roles drift towards more unisex as part of existing trends. A dark side effect of a good thing. As for why women's suicide methods tend to leave "prettier" more intact corpses as opposed to self-obliterative overkill that makes a horrid mess. It seems strange at first that concern for apperance and tidyness but given that suicides usually involve skewed priorities.
- bubblewrap 7y ago"as gender roles drift towards more unisex" - yeah that's not really happening.
- JamesBarney 7y agoHe wasn't stating an opinion. > Globally, death by suicide occurred about 1.8 times more often among males than among females in 2008, and 1.7 times in 2015.[4][5][6] In the western world, males die by suicide three to four times more often than do females.[4][7] This greater male frequency is increased in those over the age of 65.[8] Suicide attempts are between two and four times more frequent among females.[9][10][11] Researchers have attributed the difference between attempted and completed suicides among the sexes to males using more lethal means to end their lives.[7][12][13] The extent of suicidal thoughts is not clear, but research suggests that suicidal thoughts are more common among females than among males, particularly in those under the age of 25.[11][14] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_suicide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_suicide
- bubblewrap 7y agoI wasn't commenting on the stats, but on their interpretation.