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How can you have a discussion with people who not only believe that it is unacceptable to expose government deception and corruption, but who go on to advocate

by necolas 16y ago

How can you have a discussion with people who not only believe that it is unacceptable to expose government deception and corruption, but who go on to advocate the use of lethal force against citizens of western democracies. Rarely has an event exposed so clearly the hypocrisies and conflict at the heart of our western democracies.

jbooth 16y ago
Yeah, that really disturbed me. Mr. Markham seems like a pretty reasonable guy, a mainline Republican, possibly even a moderate. And he's basically advocating fascism, here. If it happened in Germany, it can happen here. Germany had Liebniz, Kant, Mozart, Einstein, the Reformation.. no reason to think that we're so much better. ( I really tried to avoid Godwin's law here, but I couldn't. The news debate has rapidly turned from "what is our government doing" to "just how unamerican is this guy, anyways". It's a bad trend. )
- hugh3 16y ago
  And he's basically advocating fascism, and implying that killing 100,000 arabs is no big deal compared to embarrassing the people who did it. This is so disconnected from what danielbmarkham is actually arguing that I've flagged this entire thread as unproductively political.
  - jbooth 16y ago
    He's calling for this guy to be killed. He said, lethal force. Because he's a quote "enemy". And the reasoning is that the guy dared to tattle on the government killing people. Identity politics and advocacy for unlimited extrajudicial police power to prosecute said enemies. If that's not fascism, I don't know what is.
- die_sekte 16y ago
  That's the interesting thing about facism: nearly everybody is in favor of it as long as it furthers their causes. Democracy really doesn't work any better than other forms of government, it just tends to keep the lunatics at bay, and even that doesn't always work (see Bush Jr., Hitler, ...).
  - eru 16y ago
    I wouldn't put both of those guys between the same parentheses.

by necolas 16y ago

jbooth 16y ago

Yeah, that really disturbed me. Mr. Markham seems like a pretty reasonable guy, a mainline Republican, possibly even a moderate. And he's basically advocating fascism, here. If it happened in Germany, it can happen here. Germany had Liebniz, Kant, Mozart, Einstein, the Reformation.. no reason to think that we're so much better. ( I really tried to avoid Godwin's law here, but I couldn't. The news debate has rapidly turned from "what is our government doing" to "just how unamerican is this guy, anyways". It's a bad trend. )

hugh3 16y ago
And he's basically advocating fascism, and implying that killing 100,000 arabs is no big deal compared to embarrassing the people who did it. This is so disconnected from what danielbmarkham is actually arguing that I've flagged this entire thread as unproductively political.
- jbooth 16y ago
  He's calling for this guy to be killed. He said, lethal force. Because he's a quote "enemy". And the reasoning is that the guy dared to tattle on the government killing people. Identity politics and advocacy for unlimited extrajudicial police power to prosecute said enemies. If that's not fascism, I don't know what is.
die_sekte 16y ago
That's the interesting thing about facism: nearly everybody is in favor of it as long as it furthers their causes. Democracy really doesn't work any better than other forms of government, it just tends to keep the lunatics at bay, and even that doesn't always work (see Bush Jr., Hitler, ...).
- eru 16y ago
  I wouldn't put both of those guys between the same parentheses.