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The issue isn't where radicalised people go. It's how people get radicalised in the first place. Both Reddit and YouTube are general purpose sites. Very, very
by untog 8y ago
The issue isn't where radicalised people go. It's how people get radicalised in the first place.
Both Reddit and YouTube are general purpose sites. Very, very few people go on there to discuss the e.g. racist beliefs they already have. But the algorithms on these sites ends up exposing people to extreme views - there are many, many examples out there of people watching an innocuous video on YouTube only to immediately suggested a 9/11 conspiracy video or a barely concealed white supremacist tirade.
If that content were removed from YouTube and Reddit people wouldn't be going underground for it, because they wouldn't be looking for it.
(and as a more general thought, invoking Nazis here isn't all that useful. Just because X had Y effect once in history doesn't mean it will every time. Germany has outlawed Nazis since the end of WW2 and guess what... they haven't taken over again.)
- klez 8y ago> Germany has outlawed Nazis since the end of WW2 and guess what... they haven't taken over again Counter to that, Italy has a provision in its Constitution that forbids the reconstitution of the fascist party and now we have at least two that declare themselves as such (and have a few seats in the parliament), and one that, despite not being explicitly fascist, has more or less similar ideals and methods, has the relative majority of consensus in the country and is governing right now. EDIT: did I write something false, inflammatory or off topic?
- untog 8y agoRight. My point was that the OP implied a correlation between censorship and the rise of politics bring censored, my answer was that there isn't really any correlation, there are plenty of examples that go both ways.
- 8note 8y agoso, when you claim to deplatform something, then let let them on anyways, you're not doing well? is that a counter point, or just an example of Italy's government being impotent? if it were china, the members of those parties would all be dead already
- Grue3 8y ago>Germany has outlawed Nazis since the end of WW2 and guess what... they haven't taken over again. Nor have they taken over in any other country, regardless of being banned. Because their ideology has already been exposed for the bullshit it is. The ban did nothing.
- walshemj 8y agoI looked at youtube recently on a clean browser and almost all of the content suggested was far right - I don't mean conservatives I mean ultra's