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If you’re wondering where the downvotes are coming from, it’s probably because ad hominem attacks (attacking the person making the argument, rather than directl

If you’re wondering where the downvotes are coming from, it’s probably because ad hominem attacks (attacking the person making the argument, rather than directly refuting their arguments; what you’re doing here, basically) are generally considered a logical fallacy.

michelpp 8y ago
I know where the downvotes are coming from, I have no concern about karma. That's his voting record, and links to his webpage, and the words are his. I said nothing negative about the man. All I asked is that people read it. You think this brain drain article with his face on it is logically disconnected from his politics?
- toasterlovin 8y ago
  Speaking frankly, I don’t see what anything that you posted has to do with brain drain. All you’re doing is pointing out unrelated things which you think makes the senator look bad.
  - michelpp 8y ago
    In short order the Supreme Court will decide on whether or not to include a citizenship question on the upcoming census. The result of including the question will sow fear in non-citizens, fully entitled to be counted (the census requires "whole persons", not just citizens) and is projected to cause an undercount of many, many millions of people in "brain gain" states. This will directly effect the amount of federal money, by many billions of dollars, that goes to states for education. You think this article is somehow disconnected from that? That maybe some of the senators that sit on the Joint Economic Committee might have something to gain from this? This is not about bad choroplethy and bogus metrics, this is American politics.
    - briandear 8y ago
      If the census can ask any questions at all other than “how many people are in your household,” then certainly a question of citizenship is relevant. Many, many countries include citizenship in their census, it’s not at all unreasonable. Citizenship is far more relevant than race. France for example, forbids asking race and ethnicity however they do, in fact, ask about citizenship. Why wouldn’t we want to know the citizenship of the people living in the country? It seems like very useful data.
      - siedes 8y ago
        >"Why wouldn’t we want to know the citizenship of the people living in the country? " I think he told us that answer already. His politics benefits from noncitizens being counted in the census, so it would be problematic if such a question were to scare away any illegal immigrants living in the U.S (this is because no permanent legal resident is scared of citizenship questions, since it's usually clarified if something is okay for a legal resident noncitizen or not).
    - toasterlovin 8y ago
      You’ve just made what seems like a reasonable argument about how a citizenship question on the census affects education funding. But the only way you’ve connected this to the brain drain argument is by pointing out that some of the same people are involved.

michelpp 8y ago

I know where the downvotes are coming from, I have no concern about karma. That's his voting record, and links to his webpage, and the words are his. I said nothing negative about the man. All I asked is that people read it. You think this brain drain article with his face on it is logically disconnected from his politics?

toasterlovin 8y ago
Speaking frankly, I don’t see what anything that you posted has to do with brain drain. All you’re doing is pointing out unrelated things which you think makes the senator look bad.
- michelpp 8y ago
  In short order the Supreme Court will decide on whether or not to include a citizenship question on the upcoming census. The result of including the question will sow fear in non-citizens, fully entitled to be counted (the census requires "whole persons", not just citizens) and is projected to cause an undercount of many, many millions of people in "brain gain" states. This will directly effect the amount of federal money, by many billions of dollars, that goes to states for education. You think this article is somehow disconnected from that? That maybe some of the senators that sit on the Joint Economic Committee might have something to gain from this? This is not about bad choroplethy and bogus metrics, this is American politics.
  - briandear 8y ago
    If the census can ask any questions at all other than “how many people are in your household,” then certainly a question of citizenship is relevant. Many, many countries include citizenship in their census, it’s not at all unreasonable. Citizenship is far more relevant than race. France for example, forbids asking race and ethnicity however they do, in fact, ask about citizenship. Why wouldn’t we want to know the citizenship of the people living in the country? It seems like very useful data.
    - siedes 8y ago
      >"Why wouldn’t we want to know the citizenship of the people living in the country? " I think he told us that answer already. His politics benefits from noncitizens being counted in the census, so it would be problematic if such a question were to scare away any illegal immigrants living in the U.S (this is because no permanent legal resident is scared of citizenship questions, since it's usually clarified if something is okay for a legal resident noncitizen or not).
  - toasterlovin 8y ago
    You’ve just made what seems like a reasonable argument about how a citizenship question on the census affects education funding. But the only way you’ve connected this to the brain drain argument is by pointing out that some of the same people are involved.