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Governments at odds with archeology to protect the origin story of the country is common across the world. In India, as recent as latter part of this decade ar

Governments at odds with archeology to protect the origin story of the country is common across the world. In India, as recent as latter part of this decade archeologists found gold mine of evidence for >2100 year old Tamil civilization at Keezhadi including Roman artifacts[0]. There was no evidence of Hinduism found, for the matter of fact no religious artifacts of known organised religions was found there. The archeologist who made the discovery was transferred and the excavations was halted. Fortunately, Tamil civilization is still very much in existence in the state of Tamilnadu,India; so the matter was taken to court and the court has now ordered continuation of excavation at Keezhadi & ordered the original archeologist back to the site[1]. But there has been numerous hurdles since, a blatant obstruction by the central government. India is a culmination of several such civilizations, but the ruling party wants to project India as a 'Hindu Nation' which magically originated before any other civilization in the world. Unfortunately, they have the popular support for obvious reasons (You'll likely witness in the comments ). Wiki[2]. [0]: https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/keezhadi-hitting-pay-dirt-and-controversy/article19779268.ece https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/keezhadi-hittin... [1]: https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/keezhadi-excavations-hc-orders-transfer-asi-officer-amarnath-ramakrishna-tn-98413 https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/keezhadi-excavations-h... [2]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keeladi https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keeladi

modi15 7y ago
You should try posting all this with a different username. It costs you credibility as it insinuates an agenda and its something you can ill afford for this conspiracy theory to gain mileage.
- Dravidian 7y ago
  My username is not to project any ideology as superior, but to project my identity of the civilisation as it has come into threat lately. I will refrain from making any comments on your user name though.
  - noopnoop 7y ago
    What civilization is yours that has come to threat? Are you one of those peddlers of the fake & totally debunked Aryan Invasion Theory & that the so-called Aryans came & destroyed the so-called Dravidians? Just so you know I'm from S.India & a non-Brahmin & AIT is the worst game to have been played on a group of unsuspecting people.
- jazzyjackson 7y ago
  To which conspiracy theory are you referring?
- atemerev 7y ago
  Speaking of usernames...
narrator 7y ago
This really makes me wonder why controlling the understanding of anything older than 3000 years ago is such a big deal. Isn't there a statute of limitations on this kind of thing? It might be tied to the ancient notions of lineage that have somehow persisted into the modern era and for bettet or fot worse link the ancient with the modern.
- wholinator2 7y ago
  Do you have sources or evidence for any of those claims?
- noopnoop 7y ago
  Well, even now in the age of aircrafts etc, I do not know how to build one. So probably it is being kept secret from common people like me.
- deleted 7y ago
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- freeflight 7y ago
  It's to manufacture legitimization for all kinds of claims. One of the most notorious examples for this is probably Israel [0]. [0] https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/the-twisted-logic-of-the-jewish-historic-right-to-israel-1.6654428 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/the-twisted-logic-of-the...
  - mirimir 7y ago
    For an interesting take on the ancient history of conflict among Semitic tribes, I recommend Matthew Woodring Stover's Jericho Moon. The ancient Hebrews come across a lot like marauding Bedouin tribes.
noopnoop 7y ago
The only reason minorities are protected in India is because of Hindus — also the only reason India is secular. I do not know what satisfaction these people get by demonizing hinduism every where they go. People like Dravidian think it is okay to have Christian nations, Islamic nations, Buddhist & Jewish nations, but just calling India a "Hindu nation" puts their panties in a tight knot. Hinduism / Sanaatana Dharma (Eternal Dharma) is not just a religion, it is a full culture, philosophy to unite mankind (not divide) & it has given many things to the world, but such people wish to destroy it & make it like the violent middle east or the materialistic west. India & Hindus have always been hurt & invaded & there is no evidence for Hindus to have invaded other lands or committing the types of harm on mankind. Even in war, victorious Hindus rulers never touched civilians & especially defeated women were treated with utmost respect. People like Dravidian are shameless, but I cannot blame these people entirely. India has been facing this onslaught from Muslim invaders, Christian (Portuguese, French, British etc) invaders for more than 1000 years & since independence we have had a government that forbade study of hinduism in schools, yet allows Christo-Islamic studies. The result is the emergence of ignorant people like Dravidian who wish to break India. Such people are also called Urban Naxals. Very unfortunate indeed.
themanosphere 7y ago
> Governments at odds with archeology to protect the origin story of the country is common across the world. Couldn't agree more. Just look at Auschwitz and the other concentration camps. Only government-approved scientists are allowed onto those sites.
TimTheTinker 7y ago
There are a few fascinating notable exceptions. Israel and Egypt in particular support and sponsor archeology - probably for some similar and some diverging reasons.
- Dravidian 7y ago
  Egypt surely deserves an applause for keeping archeology separate from prominent religious sentiments & capitalising it in the tourism Industry. India had all the potential to do the same, considering it is home to at-least half dozen civilizaltions; but extremist ideologies is a vote winner. When the current ruling party came into power, they tried to undermine Taj mahal by removing its name from the tourism list[0]! [0]: https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/taj-mahal-india-dropped-tourism-booklet-utter-pradesh-government-a7981171.html https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/taj-mah...
screye 7y ago
Now that the BJP has found an ally in the AIDMK and Nitish kumar, I am hoping that they will take their foot off the Hindutva pedal. It is ironic, that in its efforts to serve as opposition to Islam, Hindu ideologues are reforming Hinduism to fit a more abrahmic/western definition of religion. If Hinduism is to be thought as the culture and beliefs of people living in the Indian subcontinent around 1000AD (the earliest origins of the Sindhu -> Hindu name). Then it completely separates itself from any scripture based religious belief system. If the original scriptures of the Sanathan Dharma are to be used as guide books to define Hinduism, then the modern cultural beliefs of each region in India have diverged enough that they bear no resemblance to the original scriptures. The most egregious would be that beef, was seen as purely a food item. In addition, these scriptures were studied and followed mostly by the upper class. So, it is hard to make it apply to the whole country. I don't see light at the end of the the tunnel, but the hypocrisy of the reformists is certainly hilarious.
- Dravidian 7y ago
  It went from hilarious to dangerous,when democracy in the country itself is under threat.

modi15 7y ago

You should try posting all this with a different username. It costs you credibility as it insinuates an agenda and its something you can ill afford for this conspiracy theory to gain mileage.

Dravidian 7y ago
My username is not to project any ideology as superior, but to project my identity of the civilisation as it has come into threat lately. I will refrain from making any comments on your user name though.
- noopnoop 7y ago
  What civilization is yours that has come to threat? Are you one of those peddlers of the fake & totally debunked Aryan Invasion Theory & that the so-called Aryans came & destroyed the so-called Dravidians? Just so you know I'm from S.India & a non-Brahmin & AIT is the worst game to have been played on a group of unsuspecting people.
jazzyjackson 7y ago
To which conspiracy theory are you referring?
atemerev 7y ago
Speaking of usernames...

narrator 7y ago

This really makes me wonder why controlling the understanding of anything older than 3000 years ago is such a big deal. Isn't there a statute of limitations on this kind of thing? It might be tied to the ancient notions of lineage that have somehow persisted into the modern era and for bettet or fot worse link the ancient with the modern.

wholinator2 7y ago
Do you have sources or evidence for any of those claims?
noopnoop 7y ago
Well, even now in the age of aircrafts etc, I do not know how to build one. So probably it is being kept secret from common people like me.
deleted 7y ago
[deleted]
freeflight 7y ago
It's to manufacture legitimization for all kinds of claims. One of the most notorious examples for this is probably Israel [0]. [0] https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/the-twisted-logic-of-the-jewish-historic-right-to-israel-1.6654428 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/the-twisted-logic-of-the...
- mirimir 7y ago
  For an interesting take on the ancient history of conflict among Semitic tribes, I recommend Matthew Woodring Stover's Jericho Moon. The ancient Hebrews come across a lot like marauding Bedouin tribes.

noopnoop 7y ago

The only reason minorities are protected in India is because of Hindus — also the only reason India is secular. I do not know what satisfaction these people get by demonizing hinduism every where they go. People like Dravidian think it is okay to have Christian nations, Islamic nations, Buddhist & Jewish nations, but just calling India a "Hindu nation" puts their panties in a tight knot. Hinduism / Sanaatana Dharma (Eternal Dharma) is not just a religion, it is a full culture, philosophy to unite mankind (not divide) & it has given many things to the world, but such people wish to destroy it & make it like the violent middle east or the materialistic west. India & Hindus have always been hurt & invaded & there is no evidence for Hindus to have invaded other lands or committing the types of harm on mankind. Even in war, victorious Hindus rulers never touched civilians & especially defeated women were treated with utmost respect. People like Dravidian are shameless, but I cannot blame these people entirely. India has been facing this onslaught from Muslim invaders, Christian (Portuguese, French, British etc) invaders for more than 1000 years & since independence we have had a government that forbade study of hinduism in schools, yet allows Christo-Islamic studies. The result is the emergence of ignorant people like Dravidian who wish to break India. Such people are also called Urban Naxals. Very unfortunate indeed.

themanosphere 7y ago

> Governments at odds with archeology to protect the origin story of the country is common across the world. Couldn't agree more. Just look at Auschwitz and the other concentration camps. Only government-approved scientists are allowed onto those sites.

TimTheTinker 7y ago

There are a few fascinating notable exceptions. Israel and Egypt in particular support and sponsor archeology - probably for some similar and some diverging reasons.

Dravidian 7y ago
Egypt surely deserves an applause for keeping archeology separate from prominent religious sentiments & capitalising it in the tourism Industry. India had all the potential to do the same, considering it is home to at-least half dozen civilizaltions; but extremist ideologies is a vote winner. When the current ruling party came into power, they tried to undermine Taj mahal by removing its name from the tourism list[0]! [0]: https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/taj-mahal-india-dropped-tourism-booklet-utter-pradesh-government-a7981171.html https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/taj-mah...

screye 7y ago

Now that the BJP has found an ally in the AIDMK and Nitish kumar, I am hoping that they will take their foot off the Hindutva pedal. It is ironic, that in its efforts to serve as opposition to Islam, Hindu ideologues are reforming Hinduism to fit a more abrahmic/western definition of religion. If Hinduism is to be thought as the culture and beliefs of people living in the Indian subcontinent around 1000AD (the earliest origins of the Sindhu -> Hindu name). Then it completely separates itself from any scripture based religious belief system. If the original scriptures of the Sanathan Dharma are to be used as guide books to define Hinduism, then the modern cultural beliefs of each region in India have diverged enough that they bear no resemblance to the original scriptures. The most egregious would be that beef, was seen as purely a food item. In addition, these scriptures were studied and followed mostly by the upper class. So, it is hard to make it apply to the whole country. I don't see light at the end of the the tunnel, but the hypocrisy of the reformists is certainly hilarious.

Dravidian 7y ago
It went from hilarious to dangerous,when democracy in the country itself is under threat.