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I agree that we need a full and complete understanding rather than a simplistic one. miki123211's response adds to that, but a fuller picture is that - compani

I agree that we need a full and complete understanding rather than a simplistic one. miki123211's response adds to that, but a fuller picture is that - companies were using IOS to serve a legitimate need that Apple did not. - As noted this was done by subverting an API - Apple tolerated this (did they not know or not care or ?) - Apple released a competitive product with a new API - Apple begins removing products using the old methods The question is whether Apple is allowing existing products to migrate to the new API or are they locked out? If existing products cannot use the same API then my sense is that Apple is indeed being anti-competitive.

saagarjha 7y ago
Apple’s competitive product (namely, Screen Time) has no API. It’s a system level feature that no third-party app has access to.
- mkozlows 7y ago
  Which is not a fact of nature, but a decision that Apple made.
  - seandougall 7y ago
    Is it impossible to believe that was a legitimate security decision? How would you implement such an API and prevent developers from abusing it for spyware purposes? Personally, even though I opt into sharing app-specific usage data with developers, I don’t particularly want my global device-level usage statistics available to any random app that also has network entitlements.
joshstrange 7y ago
“Competitive product”? I’m sorry but they released a real solution and then started to remove the anti-privacy hacks. Also people don’t seem to understand so I’ll spell it out: APPLE IS LOSING MONEY FROM THIS DECISION. Screen time makes them no money (yes you can argue maybe they make more money from devices because of its existance but that’s a stretch). I’m betting they put up with these apps because they realized there was no good alternative. Now they they have a real solution there is no reason to allow there privacy nightmares to continue to exist (in their current form at least).

saagarjha 7y ago

Apple’s competitive product (namely, Screen Time) has no API. It’s a system level feature that no third-party app has access to.

mkozlows 7y ago
Which is not a fact of nature, but a decision that Apple made.
- seandougall 7y ago
  Is it impossible to believe that was a legitimate security decision? How would you implement such an API and prevent developers from abusing it for spyware purposes? Personally, even though I opt into sharing app-specific usage data with developers, I don’t particularly want my global device-level usage statistics available to any random app that also has network entitlements.

joshstrange 7y ago

“Competitive product”? I’m sorry but they released a real solution and then started to remove the anti-privacy hacks. Also people don’t seem to understand so I’ll spell it out: APPLE IS LOSING MONEY FROM THIS DECISION. Screen time makes them no money (yes you can argue maybe they make more money from devices because of its existance but that’s a stretch). I’m betting they put up with these apps because they realized there was no good alternative. Now they they have a real solution there is no reason to allow there privacy nightmares to continue to exist (in their current form at least).