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They probably meant "user" here, and a lot of companies would want to be able to track their phones without the user deleting it. I think it's fine if the phone
by amingilani 7y ago
They probably meant "user" here, and a lot of companies would want to be able to track their phones without the user deleting it. I think it's fine if the phone is company property.
I don't think there's anything wrong with a Russian company selling online in USD if they want to hit a higher market. As someone from Pakistan, I wouldn't price my SaaS in PKR either if my market includes people from outside the country.
- Fnoord 7y agoIt is security through obscurity though. It is one thing to disallow a user to uninstall such an application. As you say, the user might not be the owner. You could even inform the user that the software is running. Even if they're not the owner of the phone that's probably a morally right thing to do. It is another level to rename the application as if its part of the OS. That's a malware tactic. Therefore, I don't believe they should provide such build. As for the Russia/USD thing, it was worth mentioning as a heads up (and besides from the way I wrote it, you can read as if they don't target EU). It was meant in an informational way (and I like that they're open about where they're from). Whatever judgement you draw from it, is up to the reader.
- ctz 7y ago> They probably meant "user" here, and a lot of companies would want to be able to track their phones without the user deleting it. I think it's fine if the phone is company property. There is no reason to try and hide such an app, though. Phones that are company property will be under MDM which can ensure a given app is installed and prevent uninstallation. These features, presumably, are to target the shady "spouse spying", domestic abuse and similar adversarial tracking markets.
- amingilani 7y agoYeah, I can see how they'd be used like that and I don't condone it. At the same time, the optimist in me hopes they're trying to make it less obvious to the employees that the phone is being tracked. Like when you don't necessarily need a glowing red camera to remind workers that big brother is watching. But I certainly see your point. I'm just hoping they're a legitimate vehicle tracking solution that's letting you add an accompanying hard-to-remove client app on a spare phone to use as a easy vehicle tracker.
- gloflo 7y agoThat would be illegal in many countries on Earth, probably the whole EU, and disgustingly unethical in any case. If you are allowed to track a device and the user is aware of that, then there is no reason to hide it. In any other case, fuck that.
- amingilani 7y agoPlease don't confuse your opinion with the laws of every sovereign nation. There are plenty of countries that prescribe stoning someone to death for offenses such as fornication, or homosexuality. One legitimate use of such technology is a tracker on your own phone in case it gets stolen. Prey[0] used to disguise itself as a game a few years ago. [0]: https://preyproject.org https://preyproject.org
- gloflo 7y agoWow, that escalated quickly. Please tone it down a little. You described a different scenario. My comment was not related to installing such hidden software yourself on your own device, not meant to be used by anyone else.
- amingilani 7y agoMy last comment wasn't meant to be, nor does it read to me as, hostile. I suppose I can write too matter-of-factly and text does come across as bland so I do apologize if it felt like I was being rude.